[Tim Delf]

This is a cheap riser. The hardware looks a little cheap. Having said that, I have a Pat Norris 19” riser that has the same hardware & probably came out of the same factory. The Pat Norris performs great. I expect the Deerseeker will as well.

 

[TomV]

This is a cheap riser. The hardware looks a little cheap. Having said that, I have a Pat Norris 19” riser that has the same hardware & probably came out of the same factory. The Pat Norris performs great. I expect the Deerseeker will as well.

Thanks Tim

 

[Tortoise]

I just received my 25" LH riser from UPS. Unfortunately, I don't have a string long enough for this yet so I can't say how it shoots at this time.

Overall the riser is really well made for the price I paid. My finish is nearly perfect except for one tiny dent in the clear coat. The "dent" is only about 3 mm in diameter and is not on a part that will be touched so I'm not that worried about it. The laminations look about as good as I expected and the overall build quality is easily on par (if not surpassing) my WLFs. Time will tell if it is durable but it looks like a good starting point.

It seems like y'all were right about the geometry of the grip/shelf. It appears to me that the throat of the grip is the center of the riser and the shelf is about 2 inches higher than that. I don't usually mess with tiller on my bows, but I might have to for this one.

 

[DDD]

Got mine today. Here are picture. Not shot. But draws smooth and straight.

 

[GABbow]

I have the 19" version, I just recently received my limbs and string, I strung it up, and the bottom limb string goes off to the right when I pull it back, and doesn't go back into the groove. I switched limbs, and it still does it on the bottom, I tried adjusting the limb, but no matter where I adjust to, it still does it, only on the bottom limb, my first ILF, is there something I am missing, never had this on any of my one piece bows, I have tradtech long's, ? Since either limb does it only on the bottom, is it the riser?

Did you center the string to the riser and limbs? Did you check if the limb pockets are loose? How were you adjusting the limb? I would also check how square the riser is from top to bottom and on both sides. Also the angle of the limb pockets. I would guess something is misaligned. Good luck finding the problem.

 

[tpjeep]

I'm trying, All new to me, I unstring, and adjust the limb with adjustment screws, I just layed my 4' level next to the riser, the bottom limb is off to the side, so I adjusted it to get straighter, but it's way over at the pocket, which seems odd to me,got busy with work here, will try stringing it up again and see, I'm going to have to probably find someone local, if possible, to help figure it out, don't have beiter blocks, I tried eyeballing it, after watching videos, to get string centered , I might have received a bad one, or I'm not familiar enough with ILF, but shouldn't be to hard to figure out, tnx for replying

 

[jason miller]

What is that gray 23” riser?

 

[stevelong]

Jason it lerks like a boder to me.

 

[DDD]

Borders triple carbon and it really like the limbs you sold me. 🙂
The Deerseeker with the low grip will work great with the Ex-1 EVo2. I have already tested this on my Triple DDD riser.

 

[Jim Casto Jr]

Update:

I did, in fact have to work on the grip--just a little. I simply flatened the bulb on the grip. Took about 5 minutes.

I shot the poop out of the riser today with a set of long Galaxy limbs at about 30#. I ended up with the tiller at 1/8" positive and a 9" brace height shooting 3-under. I assume that's due to the shelf being a little higher on this riser.

Anyway... for the money.... I'm still thrilled with this thing.

 

[Supraspinatus]

Jim, your 23" is the best looking of the bunch, in terms of the lines of the riser harmonizing with the curve of the limbs.

 

[Tortoise]

At some point today, I'm going to be taking my 25" out for its first session, but I have a few more observations from getting it setup last night.

I have it set up with my Samick R3s and they're getting 38 lbs at my draw. It must have something to do with the geometry, but these R3s are marked 35 lb on a 17" riser. Using the generic calculation, I would have expected these to be lower at my draw length (~30"). For example, my 23" WFL only gets 33 lbs with these limbs (bolts all the way in). I might play with the bolts on the Deerseeker and see if I can safely get it down to 35. I also strung up the TT BM2.0 Glass/Woods (marked 40 lb on 19") just to test. They weighed in at 45 lb on the Deerseeker, which was also more than I expected. The good news is, I know these both of these limb sets are straight and the string lines up dead center on this riser with the factory LLA setting.

Also, does anyone else think the grip is huge on the 25"? I have a weird feeling that the engineers over at Deerseeker just stretched out the 3d model of a shorter riser and put it straight into the CNC. My hands are slightly larger than average (I wear L or XL size gloves at work), but it feels like the grip is meant for a hand twice the size of mine. When I put my hand all the way up against the shelf, like I shoot all my bows, my pressure point ends up so high that it's basically in throat of the grip. I'm considering some kind of grip material or wrap to make it feel better, but we'll see if I need it after I shoot it today.

 

[Jim Casto Jr]

I'm surprized at your weight gain on the 25" riser. I put two sets of limbs on my 23" riser and they gained 2#, maybe 2.5# over the marked weight at mid-range. Interesting to see what others find out on their risers.

 

[Supraspinatus]

Tortoise, maybe it has to do with lever length - the longer riser needs a stiffer, thus thicker, middle/grip section to counter the bending torque.

 

[Draven O]

Also, does anyone else think the grip is huge on the 25"? .

Let me show you how “huge” is a 66” Tamerlane riser grip - equivalent of a 25” riser today who’s up to 70” AMO bow with same length riser. You can’t use usual materials in an economic way and expect different than what was done years ago. Check the distance between shelf and pivot point of the handle - the T is placed a bit off, but that distance is 1.5”

And disregarding this Tamerlane was one of the THE top of line target bow.
And personal experience: when a dryfire happens, the strength of the bow is as good as his weakest link and in this case is the throat of it. The I beam introduced in wood risers was there for this reason too.
PS From what I’ve seen, this type of riser ( DS) is ergonomic for up to 23”. After that if you have medium size hands you might have a problem.

 

[Supraspinatus]

I'm guessing the increase in poundage is due to very little, if any, deflex in the longer riser. Again, I suspect that this is to keep overall beam stiffness high enough to prevent breakage.

 

[Remote]

At some point today, I'm going to be taking my 25" out for its first session, but I have a few more observations from getting it setup last night.

I have it set up with my Samick R3s and they're getting 38 lbs at my draw. It must have something to do with the geometry, but these R3s are marked 35 lb on a 17" riser. Using the generic calculation, I would have expected these to be lower at my draw length (~30"). For example, my 23" WFL only gets 33 lbs with these limbs (bolts all the way in). I might play with the bolts on the Deerseeker and see if I can safely get it down to 35. I also strung up the TT BM2.0 Glass/Woods (marked 40 lb on 19") just to test. They weighed in at 45 lb on the Deerseeker, which was also more than I expected. The good news is, I know these both of these limb sets are straight and the string lines up dead center on this riser with the factory LLA setting.

Also, does anyone else think the grip is huge on the 25"? I have a weird feeling that the engineers over at Deerseeker just stretched out the 3d model of a shorter riser and put it straight into the CNC. My hands are slightly larger than average (I wear L or XL size gloves at work), but it feels like the grip is meant for a hand twice the size of mine. When I put my hand all the way up against the shelf, like I shoot all my bows, my pressure point ends up so high that it's basically in throat of the grip. I'm considering some kind of grip material or wrap to make it feel better, but we'll see if I need it after I shoot it today.

Really surprised of that weight gain too. That's wild. Can you please post a side picture of the riser flat on a table, photographed from directly above the grip? Next to a ruler, if possible. No worries if you have not the time.

 

[Tortoise]

Okay folks, hereare a few photos of today's session. I took a few more but my phone apparently focused on the tree behind my bow. It's been a little while since I've shot off the shelf, but it was surprisingly quiet in all regards. I started the 4 hour practice with paracord puffs, but the bottom puff fell out after the first 2 hours and I shot the rest without silencers. Even without string silencers, it wasn't loud at all. I'm shooting a fixed crawl on this (maybe an inch) with a pretty high nocking point (3/4") so the limbs are probably not optimally balanced. Brace height was 9" but I'll work on that later too. Today I just wanted to shoot.

 

[Remote]

Okay folks, hereare a few photos of today's session. I took a few more but my phone apparently focused on the tree behind my bow. It's been a little while since I've shot off the shelf, but it was surprisingly quiet in all regards. I started the 4 hour practice with paracord puffs, but the bottom puff fell out after the first 2 hours and I shot the rest without silencers. Even without string silencers, it wasn't loud at all. I'm shooting a fixed crawl on this (maybe an inch) with a pretty high nocking point (3/4") so the limbs are probably not optimally balanced. Brace height was 9" but I'll work on that later too. Today I just wanted to shoot.
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Excellent, cheers! Looks like a beauty. Honestly 5" from heel to top of shelf is not huge at all. Maybe it just feels that way? Some grips do to me, but when I side-by-side I see it's something really subtle that has me thinking it.

 

[Tortoise]

Excellent, cheers! Looks like a beauty. Honestly 5" from heel to top of shelf is not huge at all. Maybe it just feels that way? Some grips do to me, but when I side-by-side I see it's something really subtle that has me thinking it.

Yeah, I don't really know how to describe the grip. I just think it feels like a nice grip shape that's been stretched longer. I don't hate it but I don't particularly like it either. If I can't get used to it, I might try some adhesive leather or a wrap or something.