[GABbow]

Big arbitrary shapes of white facing me as I shoot, not ideal. And they don't seem intentionally part of the design, just an artifact of diagonal cuts through a decorative lamination layer. Notably Pat Norris never shows those on his site, perhaps because he knows some people won't like them.

Otherwise, a beautiful riser indeed.

Have the shorter 19" riser. Maybe I'm odd, but I've never really paid any attention to the white fade outs. And I've never noticed them when shooting, I'm always focused on the target.

As for where the riser is built, I believe Pat told me overseas in Asia, but didn't hear a country.

The quality is great. Tight glue lines, smooth finish. I also really like the grip. For under $200, that's a bargain.

 

[Jim Casto Jr]

I didn't know there was any doubt about them being made in China.

Label for shipping was created in Qingdao, China.

 

[TomV]

Should get mine 25" Monday.
DDD

Hi Imam also thinking of getting a 25. Would appreciate if you could let me knownhow it shoots and feels in addition to limb pocket quality. Thanks in advance

 

[Bamabuster]

As I have posted here before I purchased mine through Pat Norris. Mine is the 19 inch model. Have no complaints.

 

[DDD]

I am hoping I can convert my Deerseeker 25" to a boltdown Dyrad ACS static curve or DAS cross, this combo makes it more draw specific. 🤞 if not I will buy a set of used ILF Uukha X curve or Win & Win MXT, mild curve.
But, if all else fails I will go to my go to Ex-1. I know there have been a few here that have switched to Nika's which are the same but more carbon, so they say? But Nika's don't make shorts and i have not seen a tip weight comparison. I find for me 66" bow is most efficient. I am betting the 25" will be a little more balanced and forgiving that the 23".
DDD

 

[Jim Casto Jr]

"pipcount" wroted in the "23" Wood Riser Suggestions" thread:

Got my 25". Initial take- When I laid it down side by side vs. other 25" risers I have like a Bear C riser, Border wood ILF, etc. a few things stood out
1. mine takes concept of "low wrist" further than any of my other risers. Much further.
2. Shelf is high enough that coming out of box I was surprised. It looks odd. Somewhere between 3/8" and 3/4" higher than others.
3. Deep part of grip is a bit higher than others..

Have not shot, not sure when I get around to it, lots of projects.

Sure looks pretty, seams are tight on wood to phenolic joint, etc.

I hadn't given it much thought, but did notice I had to raise my nocking point 5/8" above where it was on the string I had on my WF Firefinch riser to shoot the Deerseeker. So... I measured the riser and indeed, the shelf is 5/8" higher on the Deerseeker riser than the Firefinch. I didn't compare my 19" riser to another riser, so I don't know if that holds true with them.

 

[Remote]

No that you mention it, the shelf does look high relative to grip throat. Hmm. Curious how that feels to shoot off the shelf.

 

[TomV]

As I have posted here before I purchased mine through Pat Norris. Mine is the 19 inch model. Have no complaints.

Thanks for the reply. I have been looking at the 19 and 21 Pat Norris risers for a while and they look like very high quality risers. The only reason I was looking at the deerseeker is because it is a 23 and 25 length. However I am not sure it is the same quality as the Pat Norris riser even though it looks like an exact copy. I still may go with the Pat Norris 21.

 

[Remote]

Thanks for the reply. I have been looking at the 19 and 21 Pat Norris risers for a while and they look like very high quality risers. The only reason I was looking at the deerseeker is because it is a 23 and 25 length. However I am not sure it is the same quality as the Pat Norris riser even though it looks like an exact copy. I still may go with the Pat Norris 21.

IMO it is almost certain Deerseeker were the factory or factory broker for the Pat Norris (nowhere does Pat say it was US made), just as Deerseeker make the 3 Rivers 'Old Mountain Mesa' (which apparently beats the Toelke Whip on speed), which Deerseeker sell for half price as the 'Vendetta' on their own site, at 62". They make other OEM gear for other Euro and US companies also.

If I was buying the Pat Norris it's because I would want the bushings. Otherwise I bet they are identical.

 

[TomV]

IMO it is almost certain Deerseeker were the factory or factory broker for the Pat Norris (nowhere does Pat say it was US made), just as Deerseeker make the 3 Rivers 'Old Mountain Mesa' (which apparently beats the Toelke Whip on speed), which Deerseeker sell for half price as the 'Vendetta' on their own site, at 62". They make other OEM gear for other Euro and US companies also.

If I was buying the Pat Norris it's because I would want the bushings. Otherwise I bet they are identical.

I think you are a 100 percent right. It looks exactly like the Norris riser. It seems incredible that Pats risers werent protected under some patent law. Also the review done by Jim castro tells you that the deerseeker riser is high quality.

 

[Bamabuster]

No that you mention it, the shelf does look high relative to grip throat. Hmm. Curious how that feels to shoot off the shelf.

Remote everyone has different taste when it comes to grip and shelf configurations but that is really the one thing I’m not particularly fond of with mine. As you pointed out it is not set up how I like mine for shooting off the shelf with relation to the distance from throat of grip to the shelf.

 

[Remote]

Remote everyone has different taste when it comes to grip and shelf configurations but that is really the one thing I’m not particularly fond of with mine. As you pointed out it is not set up how I like mine for shooting off the shelf with relation to the distance from throat of grip to the shelf.

Same page. For me a big part of shooting off the shelf is that point and shoot feel, as though the arrow was your index finger sort of thing. When the shelf is too high I'd prob rather go for an elevated rest. But yep each to their own.

EDIT: just realised it would be hard to reshape/lower that shelf without losing some radiusing or doing bad things to the grip throat

 

[GABbow]

No that you mention it, the shelf does look high relative to grip throat. Hmm. Curious how that feels to shoot off the shelf.

Yes, the shelf is 3/8 higher from the top of my hand. Add the rug rest and that's 1/2 inch above. Even so, I've been shooting off the shelf with this Pat Norris 19" riser. I was thinking my inconsistency was more to do with my lack of practice. So I'm working on form and really not worried about tight groups. However, my custom bows are built for shooting of the shelf, where it looks like your shooting off your hand. There is no gap from hand to shelf.

Now that I understand the difference, I'm going to check into a new riser with a tighter gap, or no gap between top of hand and riser. Guess I'll start a new post asking for help in riser selection.

 

[tpjeep]

I have the 19" version, I just recently received my limbs and string, I strung it up, and the bottom limb string goes off to the right when I pull it back, and doesn't go back into the groove. I switched limbs, and it still does it on the bottom, I tried adjusting the limb, but no matter where I adjust to, it still does it, only on the bottom limb, my first ILF, is there something I am missing, never had this on any of my one piece bows, I have tradtech long's, ? Since either limb does it only on the bottom, is it the riser?

 

[stevelong]

Jeep, sad to say, yes.
Have you had other limbs on the riser that strung up well & straight without issues? or is this set of limbs THE FIRST?
OK I read back now on the other thread where you've only had riser 3 weeks now.

 

[pipcount]

Jim- thanks for pulling me in on right thread!

I spent some time thinking about my 25" and the higher than typical shelf, larger gap from deep part of throat to shelf. While I shoot off a rest, I don't use sights, and I prefer having my arrow as low as I can get vs. top of my hand. Seems to me this gets arrow in a more "natural" point for my brain, and it also seems reasonable that it puts the arrow closer to center of string- which may or may not improve results. But I like it

My favorite risers are my old Bear C risers, and for knocking about in woods my B risers- they are clearly built to minimize the gap between hand and arrow, and I have tweaked them to accentuate this even a bit more by cutting shelfs down a bit on my B riser.

So.. if after shooting this bugs me:

• I think I can trim down the shelf quite a bit without risk of weakness- I shoot max of about 32# on fingertips on my larger bows, so rigidity is not a big issue.
• If the low wrist/throat profile bothers me, I can change that with selective addition of epoxy putty and a rasp. I suspect I can add carbon black to epoxy putty and get a pretty good match to the phenolic. One could even imagine adding in a few wood layers for effect, try to make it interesting.

The looks of this riser are quite striking. And the build quality seems great. No way I expect to be disappointed, even if I have to put in a few hours to customize. Honestly amazed at the glue lines and finish...

 

[DDD]

Here is one of the best 23" I have shot. Clearly it has good shelf height.

 

[DDD]

Yes, the shelf is 3/8 higher from the top of my hand. Add the rug rest and that's 1/2 inch above. Even so, I've been shooting off the shelf with this Pat Norris 19" riser. I was thinking my inconsistency was more to do with my lack of practice. So I'm working on form and really not worried about tight groups. However, my custom bows are built for shooting of the shelf, where it looks like your shooting off your hand. There is no gap from hand to shelf.

Now that I understand the difference, I'm going to check into a new riser with a tighter gap, or no gap between top of hand and riser. Guess I'll start a new post asking for help in riser selection.

Custom bows are tillered to except asymmetrical limbs.
DDD

 

[Tim Delf]

I received my Deerseeker 25” right hand riser today. It was well packaged. The riser looks great. I just had shoulder surgery so can’t try it out right now.

 

[TomV]

I received my Deerseeker 25” right hand riser today. It was well packaged. The riser looks great. I just had shoulder surgery so can’t try it out right now.

I received my Deerseeker 25” right hand riser today. It was well packaged. The riser looks great. I just had shoulder surgery so can’t try it out right now.

Hey Tim how does the hardware look to you vs other ilf risers you may have seen or shot?