I remember that thread. I believe that the Tbow is cast and the Satori is machined from a billet. I wouldn't get too excited about a difference in finish as the Hoyt risers are prone to get chips rather easily. Somewhere I read that the Satori is powder coated. I'm not a fan of powder coating anything that will get bumped around. I bought a Satori riser with a little age on it and every high spot on the riser was missing some finish. A little time and a can of blackboard paint followed by a topcoat of flat polyurethane had that riser riser looking near new with little effort.
Tbow vs Satori
Hey everyone, my old man has a tbow satori clone. He’s been doing trad for almost a year now and wants to maybe upgrade to the actual Hoyt. Can anyone tell me the actual difference between the two? I remember seeing a thread but can’t find it. I know the finish is different and I assume the materials. Anything else?
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The Hoyt should be stronger - but has anyone ever heard of a Tbow flexing, bending, or breaking?
The Hoyt is made of 6061-T6 aluminum and is milled - probably from an unextruded cast billet(The degree of casting/molding for the billet is unknown.).
The Tbow seems to be cast and then possibly given some finish milling. The aluminum alloy used is unknown.
Significant here is that these are bow risers where extreme weight reduction isnt a design parameter, unlike say aircraft or racecar parts. Both seem to be strong enough given their relatively chunky designs.
It seems like you are looking for a reason to pay more rather than paying more because you need something better.
The Hoyt is made of 6061-T6 aluminum and is milled - probably from an unextruded cast billet(The degree of casting/molding for the billet is unknown.).
The Tbow seems to be cast and then possibly given some finish milling. The aluminum alloy used is unknown.
Significant here is that these are bow risers where extreme weight reduction isnt a design parameter, unlike say aircraft or racecar parts. Both seem to be strong enough given their relatively chunky designs.
It seems like you are looking for a reason to pay more rather than paying more because you need something better.
I had a Satori first and bought the Tbow second for a target rig with light limbs to imitative my Satori as I didn't want to keep tearing down my main rig to change to light limbs. They are far from the same other than to the eye and that even leaves some to be desired IMO. I never weighed it but it seemed lighter in the hand to me. Mine had several of the adjustment screws missing and the guy at the shop I go to fixed that. It just didn't feel exactly like my Satori so I moved on to an EXE Scream which feels very close. If your looking for an inexpensive ilf riser I think you would be better served bumping up to something like and EXE or it's Junxing version (if you want save some coin and deal with buying overseas). I shoot the EXE and Satori almost daily and while the EXE is cheaper there is nothing cheap about it. It looks great and feels great and shoots great. I felt there is no compromise between the two. Absolutely none. I would have been very happy with two EXE's honestly. I would avoid the Tbow personally.
There is nothing wrong with the Tbow, it will shoot as well as the satori. Intellectual property theft is another discussion, but purely from a function standpoint there is no real difference as long as they are both straight.
I feel like if I already owned that riser, Id not want to spend more money for a similar riser. If I got the new riser itch Id search out something different to experience.
Ive not put hands on the clone, but owned a couple satoris early on.
Ive not put hands on the clone, but owned a couple satoris early on.
I read good reviews on the 19" Tbow satori clone. I ordered one of these last week. I kicked it around back and fourth which one to buy. The real Satori or the clone. I went with the Tbow for several reson's. 1. I can afford the Uuhka gobi limbs for it buying the clone satori. 2. I like the wood grip as well. 3. I have room with $ to play around with it to get it set up to my liking. 4. The kit comes with 62" total length. I can get the feel with this bow if I need to go to a 64 or 66" limbs.
I am 6'1" with a 30" draw compound shooting. Buying this Tbow is a learning experience and I do plan to deer hunt with it, not with the limbs or string comes with it. A good set of limbs imo is key on any riser to be truthful.
I am 6'1" with a 30" draw compound shooting. Buying this Tbow is a learning experience and I do plan to deer hunt with it, not with the limbs or string comes with it. A good set of limbs imo is key on any riser to be truthful.
Worth mentioning that the TBow and EXE Scream are both made by Junxing.I had a Satori first and bought the Tbow second for a target rig with light limbs to imitative my Satori as I didn't want to keep tearing down my main rig to change to light limbs. They are far from the same other than to the eye and that even leaves some to be desired IMO. I never weighed it but it seemed lighter in the hand to me. Mine had several of the adjustment screws missing and the guy at the shop I go to fixed that. It just didn't feel exactly like my Satori so I moved on to an EXE Scream which feels very close. If your looking for an inexpensive ilf riser I think you would be better served bumping up to something like and EXE or it's Junxing version (if you want save some coin and deal with buying overseas). I shoot the EXE and Satori almost daily and while the EXE is cheaper there is nothing cheap about it. It looks great and feels great and shoots great. I felt there is no compromise between the two. Absolutely none. I would have been very happy with two EXE's honestly. I would avoid the Tbow personally.
Is the TAOW/Tbow the F185 on their site? RECURVES - Linyi Junxing Sports Equipment Co., Ltd. Still unclear whom markets it as that.Worth mentioning that the TBow and EXE Scream are both made by Junxing.
Any case, another vote for the EXE Scream AKA F261. Can get it from Lancaster (better) or factory-direct for less (without bonus of local warranty) on Aliexpress or Amazon. Top shelf hunting riser for little money. 7075 aircraft grade machined alu and the R Core grips go on it. John from JC Archery helped design it, originally sold as the Optimus.
No, they called it H1,. It was on their site previously. After I first saw it there, I queried them by email asking if the riser was cast or machined, and what grade of aluminum it was made from. Shortly after that it disappeared from their site. I asked the same questions about their Hoyt Xceed clone (which they called H7). That is also no longer on their site.Is the TAOW/Tbow the F185 on their site? RECURVES - Linyi Junxing Sports Equipment Co., Ltd. Still unclear whom markets it as that.
Any case, another vote for the EXE Scream AKA F261. Can get it from Lancaster (better) or factory-direct for less (without bonus of local warranty) on Aliexpress or Amazon. Top shelf hunting riser for little money. 7075 aircraft grade machined alu and the R Core grips go on it. John from JC Archery helped design it, originally sold as the Optimus.
Ah, they still have the Satori clone on this site: JUNXING H1 RECURVE BOW
(And here is the H15 that Draven likes: JUNXING H15 RECURVE BOW - screaming deal, essentially free limbs.)
And here is their Tempest clone: JUNXING B1 RECURVE BOW
By the way, it's "TBow." On the amazon listing, the vendor explained that the font they use makes it look like the B is an A.
I knew and understand that but the implication that they are on the same level because the same company makes them is misleading, no? That is, if that is what your saying? The EXE is a much better made riser than the Tbow and I'm not a basher of cheap equipment at all. In fact if I had more patience and cared to go overseas for the Junxing EXE version that would probably be the very best riser you can get for the coin right now. I have handled and shot the Farmington Atlas and Samick Discovery and would put the EXE in the same category as them at the $250 I spent on mine. At the even lower Junxing direct price, I don't think anyone can argue just how good a riser it is. Even side by side with my Satori there is little if any compromise. I just did not get that feeling from the Tbow but that may be me. I respect everyone's opinions here. Tbow included. Someone here I talk to often likes his Tbow very much. Staying on track with the original post, I only trying to say if the OP was a little on the fence regarding the Satori which I think is fantastic, buying the Scream EXE would be an amazing place to land too. I have no regrets on mine at all at $250. Of course, if he wanted to go with the Satori I feel the same way. He will be very happy.Worth mentioning that the TBow and EXE Scream are both made by Junxing.
Nope, that is not what I'm saying.I knew and understand that but the implication that they are on the same level because the same company makes them is misleading, no? That is, if that is what your saying?
So, it's not just me. I want the same, which contradicts one of the main benefits to owning an ILF riser.I had a Satori first and bought the Tbow second for a target rig with light limbs to imitative my Satori as I didn't want to keep tearing down my main rig to change to light limbs.
I own a 19” Satori, a 19” T-Bow , and a 19” Junxing .
I enjoy shooting all of them .
I bought all of them new.
I wish Junxing would make a 17” riser .
After shooting this style riser , I no longer like the grip on my 17” Samick Discovery’s .
I enjoy shooting all of them .
I bought all of them new.
I wish Junxing would make a 17” riser .
After shooting this style riser , I no longer like the grip on my 17” Samick Discovery’s .
Yes it does and no it's not just youSo, it's not just me. I want the same, which contradicts one of the main benefits to owning an ILF riser.
. With all the technology advancements with an ILF, when i get it perfect I'm not touching a thing in spite of having written down all my specs. I guess if I had to I could get it back just so but I am not taking any chances. I went as far as to get myself a rather pricey strung recurve case so as to not take her down at all when hunting season approaches. I have a backup bow that is very close to my primary bow andI shoot the same arrow setup as well. I seem to be able to move from one to the other with little issue.
The F261 (EXE Scream) comes in 17".I own a 19” Satori, a 19” T-Bow , and a 19” Junxing .
I enjoy shooting all of them .
I bought all of them new.
I wish Junxing would make a 17” riser .
After shooting this style riser , I no longer like the grip on my 17” Samick Discovery’s .
Yes having played with a Satori I would choose the EXE Scream over it. Bigger sight picture, balance and no skeletanisation being main reasons. That said, the Hoyt Buffalo I own is one of my favourite shelf shooters, and it doesn't have the sight picture. If Hoyt had re-made that in ILF I may've gone that way.I knew and understand that but the implication that they are on the same level because the same company makes them is misleading, no? That is, if that is what your saying? The EXE is a much better made riser than the Tbow and I'm not a basher of cheap equipment at all. In fact if I had more patience and cared to go overseas for the Junxing EXE version that would probably be the very best riser you can get for the coin right now. I have handled and shot the Farmington Atlas and Samick Discovery and would put the EXE in the same category as them at the $250 I spent on mine. At the even lower Junxing direct price, I don't think anyone can argue just how good a riser it is. Even side by side with my Satori there is little if any compromise. I just did not get that feeling from the Tbow but that may be me. I respect everyone's opinions here. Tbow included. Someone here I talk to often likes his Tbow very much. Staying on track with the original post, I only trying to say if the OP was a little on the fence regarding the Satori which I think is fantastic, buying the Scream EXE would be an amazing place to land too. I have no regrets on mine at all at $250. Of course, if he wanted to go with the Satori I feel the same way. He will be very happy.
My TBOW is near perfect in shooting, hunting, wear, and fun. I have selfbows, custom longbows and recurves. Truth is the TBOW out shoots them all. With 537gr arrow @ 182fps the others just cant match speed, even tho they all are within a few pounds of each other.
I have both and can’t really tell much difference other than finish.The Satori just feels like a better quality bow in the hand and shooting. I bought the TBow first then the Satori. I know the Satori is machined from billet aluminum and the TBow is cast. Also, the Scream is the same cast as the TBow. I keep light 30# limbs on the TBow for my grandkids and I occasionally shoot it myself. Both bows have Jager grips to match each other. I keep heavier limbs or my hunting limbs on my Satori.
In my opinion the TBow is a fine bow. That said, I really like my Satori and have no issues with the 450.00 price tag.
I am down to those two bows and it seems to be a huge benefit to my shooting using the same bows.
In my opinion the TBow is a fine bow. That said, I really like my Satori and have no issues with the 450.00 price tag.
I am down to those two bows and it seems to be a huge benefit to my shooting using the same bows.
Everyone in this thread has a valid perspective, all are worth listening to. My two cents: The TBow is pretty darn good. If another bow is wanted, maybe spend that money on a nice vintage one-piece Martin/Howatt HunterHey everyone, my old man has a tbow satori clone. He’s been doing trad for almost a year now and wants to maybe upgrade to the actual Hoyt. Can anyone tell me the actual difference between the two? I remember seeing a thread but can’t find it. I know the finish is different and I assume the materials. Anything else?
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