Longer riser has a lot more aiming stability.

 

popcorn.
Grant - 'splain.

 

I always thought longer limbs=smoother draw? I have a longer draw and short limbs stack up pretty quick for me.

 

I always thought that too. He didn't say short limbs, he said a short working limb (whatever that means).

I am trying to figure out whether I shot a 62" bow with a 17" riser with long limb, would not perform as well as say a 23" riser with a shorter limb to make a 62" bow, using the same make and model limb from the same bowyer.

 

I always thought that too. He didn't say short limbs, he said a short working limb (whatever that means).

I am trying to figure out whether I shot a 62" bow with a 17" riser with long limb, would not perform as well as say a 23" riser with a shorter limb to make a 62" bow, using the same make and model limb from the same bowyer.

If I had to speculate, which is what this is, just speculating...I'd say the 23/shorts would be faster but stiffer drawing than the 17/long

 

Think about the location of mass further from the pivot point the more it wants to resist rotation. Just imagine two risers same length one has all mass at grip the others have mass at pockets which will be more likely to torque in your hand..or more steady to aim..now longer to what point. ??For me: an under average archer with lots of bad habits21-23 is sweet spot. With shorter I lose accuracy due to string pinch, longer and the string seems to come off my fingers too slow and it amplifies a not so perfect release or occasional target panic. I do hope to get better so that I shoot my longer risers better tho.

 

With shorter I lose accuracy due to string pinch, longer and the string seems to come off my fingers too slow and it amplifies a not so perfect release or occasional target panic.

Anton not sure I completely understand this statement. If both bows were 62" the shorter riser bow would have more finger pinch?

Thanks
Gil

 

And for me a 19" with longs is not as accurate or forgiving as a 21 with mediums...I think it's a wash on speed.ie I can tune both to be same speed

 

It's more about mass and how much movement your bow hand has right after release than riser size per se. It's true that a long riser has more mass than short risers, but put weights on your short riser and if you don't have obvious "flaws" in your shot sequence you shouldn't see a difference between a 17" and 19" riser. Add on top of this personal idiosyncrasies and discussion will go for years.

 

Yup...bow hand movement I gots lots of that. Lol

 

Another question....two bows the same length, but one has the longer riser/shorter limb and the other short riser/longer limb. Would the longer riser now have less string angle on the fingers?

 

Depends how the limbs unwind....you would have to measure the bow length when fully drawn and the distance the limb tips are horizontally from the riser throat. Example border limbs have less strung pinch because of how they unwind...I ht ave no experience with border just what I have heard

 

Judging from the direction championship-level barebow shooters have been going (27"/29" riser and short/medium limbs), I'd put my money on a longer riser and shorter limbs being more accurate than a short riser and long limbs.

In my own personal experience this has held up. Let's just say if going with a 21" riser and XL limbs would improve John Demmert's scores by 3 pts on a 600 round, he'd make the switch.

 

A couple of years ago I've compared my BB warf + longs vs my Hoyt Aerotec 23" riser and mediums - to get the same 66" bow - and the scores were very similar. Both setups were almost similar in weight - # 4.8 total bow.

 

Lift point

Trying out two new bows. One is a 23" riser with short limbs and the other is 19" riser with long limbs. So there is two inch difference. I have not done a draw force curve on either. Tiller is slightly off on both. But I am not sure which lift point is best? Just looking for a second opinion. Dan

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I think I may have to find a 23" Hoyt Excel and try some short limbs. That should make a 64" bow, right?

Thanks
Gil

 

I like the medium better because they feel smoother. Shorts are a snapper feel.

 

Try to find a 23" zenit. The next riser I make will be a 23

 

Mediums on a 21" would be nice to try and since I shoot DAS that is an option (I just sold 2 21" DAS).

I have a set of short limbs I received on a bow I purchased for the riser. I had a 21" Excel and liked it very much. I will check out the Zenit. Unless it is DAS I want to go cheap, since I only want to test a longer riser with shorter limbs.

 

I did try some shorts on the wfx lite 25" I had...the limbs were very heavy for me @55 lb but it was super fun snappy and stable to shoot. I have mediums on a 27" luxor right now that I enjoy. Not sure that I would like it as much with longs...shorts could be fun tho. That's with 28" draw length

 

In barebow the riser is your only stabilizer. Adding length, even without adding total mass, adds moment arm.
This becomes even more noticeable with the new weight rules which permit loading up the area near the pockets.
Also being able to stay with medium limbs (or whatever is appropriate for your DL) but having more total bow length is a big benefit.

I'm just waiting for a couple of years to see if I can get a used GT31.

 

What about a used GT29? I've got one I want to sell.

 

I’ve wondered before if those big fat limb pockets are the reason I(and so many others) like a Black Bear riser so well.