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Sights on a bow? That's trad heresy isn't it? Now how are your going to convince the real pros that you don't aim.

More power to him. Looks like his for isn't bad.

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What I like most about this is the fact that he's just discovering he can shoot better if he holds long enough to acquire a sight picture, as opposed to snap shooting. What a concept! I lllove dees countrrrry!
 

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That's his second post on the subject in the last few weeks and most of the responses on the first thread were of the "encouragement" type.
 

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I can certainly imagine that, Mike. It would be pretty difficult to look at this kind of obvious and immediate quality improvement and try to discourage the person experiencing it. I agree with what someone said above about things changing. At my age it gets a little too easy to cynically give up on the best in folks, and I do know and appreciate that if changes in attitudes are to come they will be instigated/precipitated by these kinds of positive experiences - as ever they have been in basically all of human experience.
 

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If you have been following the course of the other trad and stickbow sites over the last few years you can see a lot of changes for the good going on. It wasn't very long ago that any discussion of sights, carbon's, vanes, aiming and groups would get flamed pretty bad pretty fast, get ugly and get stopped or pulled. Nice to see a more open minded approach to our form of archery and the flame specialists getting fewer in number. You always have a few drive by's tossing out a little hate and discontent on most any archery topic that doesn't fit in their sceme of things but they I hope are a dieing breed and dwindle away. People seem now to be getting into better shooting, tuning their equipment and shooting more than one arrow at a time, this can only be good for the sport and better yet good for bow hunting in general. I think a lot of the changes you are seeing are a direct of Robert (papa bull) and his Tradtalk site. Lots of archers lurk on this site to learn things that will help them shoot better and never register or join in our discussions. My hat's off to Robert for starting and maintaining this excellent site...warf
 
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That's quite an improvement and a darn good 30 yard group for a wood risered bow...

Now when I start seeing Widder longbows decked out with Shibuya V-bar rods...the revolution has gone too far!
 

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I wonder how long it will take him to discover the sight on the end of his arrow? Once you learn to shoot well with a pin, it's not much of a leap to gap shoot well.
 

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I'm real pleased to see the course of that thread. It has been encouraging to the poster, and it never got bumped to the shooters forum. I think part of the learning process in all of this is for people to realize that giving someone a little room to do things differently is in no way a threat to their way. TG began as a group of more conservative people, and have gotten a reputation for being intolerant of more progressive topics and aspects of archery. Things have definitely changed over the last year though. I've recently seen threads about wrist slings, clickers, formasters, and now sights that have all gone just fine. Many of us still hold the assumption that anything of a progressive nature will get flamed, and pulled; but perhaps it is time to rethink that assumption and give credit where it is due.
 

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"perhaps it is time to rethink that assumption and give credit where it is due."

Agreed. The horse is so dead that even the vultures have moved on;).

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My thinking is this. A lot of us here have been advocates for change, but there isn't much point if you can't recognize it when it happens. We don't want to end up like those Japanese soldiers in the Phillipines jungle that were still fighting WWII 20 years after it ended.:)

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I think it's a very important and positive change that's been taking place. This sport can only benefit from a kinder, more tolerant, less elitist traditional archery community and, by and large, that's where things are heading. It's so much better than it was 3 years ago that there's no comparison.
 

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I have noticed a marked improvement in shooting over the past couple of years at the few 3d events I go to. Most of my group shooting is in the SCA where you are pretty much divided into three groups: 1. the I just want to fling arrows and don't care where they go. (Having fun but lousy shots) 2. The I am learning and will one day be a good archer. 3. The elite of the group able to handle static or moving targets. Shooting accurately at about anything under 60 yards or so. At twenty yds they can put eight to twelve arrows in the bull in less than thirty seconds. When I went to my first Denton Hill I was really surprised to see lots guys practicing their "bear in the woods" techinques while shooting and missing at ten yards or less. However the last trad event I went to the "Can't hit at any distance crowd was conspicously absent. I don't think they had even put out any targets at less than twenty yards. It is a good trend and I think it will continue as more people discover that it is neat to look good but much nicer to be good.
 

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On this same thread I posted some pics of some groups I shot with sights (previously posted here) and a fellow named Voodoofire1 posted what I copied below: I think it's pretty darn good shooting for a hunting rig off the shelf at 60 yards! We need to get him into our contest!

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Hi guys, I consider myself an average shot, no pins, or gap just instinctive, and yesterday I got out my son's memorial bow and started earnest practicing with it,as I'm taking it to cloverdale this sat., man this bow has some serious mojo,I hadn't shot it much till yesterday, and was amazed with it's accuracy, well anyway this morning I saw Esquires 45 yd. shots with pins, and just wondered... so I took the bow out a little bit ago and shot this group of 7 from 60 yds, it was shot from over the pond by the innertube ,and all I did was spin the target around for the pic,I think it was the mojo everyone put into this fantastic bow,cause I'm not that good,just had a little help, Thanks guys!..Steve
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