I am seriously considering going back to aluminum. Recycleable/sustainable? , affordable, heavy, more trad?

 

It seems they rebranded their arrows and never mentioned USA so I guess they are not made here.

I used aluminum for a long time. I like thinner shafts these days. I would go back to Easton FMJ shafts if I want USA made.

With my shooting ability and distance I shoot the cheap Accmos would probably do.

 

Gil, I have not tried the Accmos 4.2, only 5.2 & 6.2. Everything I can tell from their messy specs indicates the 4.2s to be heavier than I want (400s @ 9.45 gpi). I do use Gold Tip Kinetic Pierce and find their 400 @ 7.6 gpi matches my Accmos 5.2s 400 @ 7.5 gpi. The Pierce are 32" shaft and come with Ballistic insert, collar and nock, netting a 33" BOP to nock notch arrow. Black Ovis has them for $99/12 shipped.

 

anton
i;ve been shooting 2020's eastons heavy and they fly great.
13.5 grains per inch!

 

Old school Steve still shoots some loomies. 2013s lately......

 

Black Eagles were never made here. Easton is the only USA made arrow for a long time. Everything else is China or Korea, and the Korean companies use Chinese factories. Gold tip is Mexico. All these new “boutique” arrow companies, selling the newest latest and greatest are all getting made by one of a handful of places in China. Heck, send them an email. They’ll make you Gil arrows. Just tell them your specs, and they will help you with your logo. My friend Richie started a c/f tripod company that way. The same place making his tripods make…..arrows.

 

The only arrow I will buy that is over $100 a dozen is going to be Easton. I won't buy a USA re-branded Chinese arrows for any money, otherwise I would feel like a chump. I will buy them from China for $100 cheaper.

I have a feeling that Black Eagle did just that.

I don't mind buying Easton for $140. Easton now makes a 4mm arrow 8.3 gpi up to 32" for a 340. My Axis Traditional Only Arrows are tough as nails at 5mm.

I thought the Black Eagle arrows were still manufactured in USA that is why I was paying good money for them. I saw some early advertisements about USA made.

" Yes, Black Eagle Arrows were manufactured in the USA at one time, but at least as early as 2014, there were discussions about them not being made in the U.S., and by 2020, the company's production was reportedly overseas. While current production is likely outside the U.S., the company's website emphasizes rigorous quality control and tight tolerances for their arrows."

Yep I was a chump.

 

I have been all in on the BE since 2020 - Outlaw and Vintage. Their components are all compatible and I could get them at my local range.

Not the cheapest but they have been tough IME.

I'd consider Accmos and get to be more involved in crafting my own arrows again. Where's the place to buy them?

 

I have been all in on the BE since 2020 - Outlaw and Vintage. Their components are all compatible and I could get them at my local range.

Not the cheapest but they have been tough IME.

I'd consider Accmos and get to be more involved in crafting my own arrows again. Where's the place to buy them?

I bought this dozen for 3D already made for $38.99 plus $15 shipping. With tax it came to $57.56.

I bought these shafts from Aliexpress to try hunting.

Now I have to go to work sharpening Simmons.

 

CJ is right, the smaller diameter arrows go up in weight the smaller the diameter, thicker wall as well. Where I was running into another issue is outserts the stainless ones on Amazon they don’t have the correct size od for 400. So I’ve held off on that project.
I haven’t played with my BE arrows yet, they are heavier than my Accmos 5.2 mm arrows but I expected that going smaller diameter.

American made arrows are just outrageously priced, even if the arrows are affordable they make up on the components. Like the Easton advance arrow is affordable till you go to the half/out insert.
$50 and that’s for 6 of them.
Chad

 

Gil, I assume Accmos is going to get hit with that tariff after the 28th? So they won't be so cheap.

Bowmania

 

@Bowmania
I am waiting to see if that happens. From what I understand the de minimus has been delayed for China. I will find out and let you know.

Todd how old were you when you had your shoulders replaced? I found out recently I have two detached and retracted muscles in my rotor cuff. Plus I have a lot of other damage there I have to get fixed too.

I can either live with it the way it is or to fix it I would have to get a shoulder replacement. At 71 I am not sure what I am going to do. I can still hold my bow up to shoot but I can't shoot a lot of successive arrows.

If you had yours replaced with the reverse shoulder replacement, how long was the recovery? If I do it I am going reversed since I know people that had short recovery times with that replacement.

Thanks

 

Now everyone don't get ready to tar and feather me but Gil if you really want to hunt and cant pull your bow back get a crossbow.Not sure NJ laws but NY just made them league during bow season.

 

@mamba
Thanks.

When I first hurt my shoulder I got a Raven R10. I had to use a Premos Stick to hold it up, because I couldn't hold it with my bow arm. I shot several deer with it but it wasn't for me. I did enjoy hunting though. If I were permanently disabled in that arm I would use one.

I put the cross bow down and then was able to hunt with a compound which I did. At that time I couldn't shoot Trad good enough. The compound was fine and if can't shoot well enough to be confident at my yardages I will use what ever I am the most accurate using.

The last 5 years I have been working on shooting traditional again. I worked to get a close point on and shoot the point. When I was getting stronger and figured out what was best for me and I was very accurate out to 20 yards.

I have a point on at 20 yards, at 15 yards 5" gap, at 10 yards 8" gap and at 5 yards 6" gap. I can shoot the point very well. It is grooved in to be instinctive split vision now.

When I hurt my shoulder again a few weeks ago I completely detached two muscle from the bone. It was probably a partial tear until a few weeks ago.

I was going to use a new bow this year (Border CV9), but I have to get that tuned with a new point on and gaps. Hunting season is too close for that now.

Then I was going to use my DMS with light limbs but I have to tune and figure out a new point and gaps. I really don't have time for that either. I would also have to shoot a lot to get that done. I can only shoot small amounts of arrows at a time.

I can shoot now but about 5 to 10 arrows at a time, because of the bow shoulder. I can draw heavy weights but holding up the bow for long periods of time successively shooting arrows my bow shoulder gets exhausted and I have to stop.

My only choice is to go back to Ol' Reliable. My 46# @ 30" Tribute with SX50 limbs. It is all blinged out for hinting, camoed, tuned and ready to go. The arrows I have I have Simmons Treesharks on them and I just figured out how to get them razor sharp.

I only have to shoot Ol' Reliable 5 shots at a time multiple times a day to get back to good hunting accuracy. When hunting I only need that first shot. That is what is nice having an aiming system to rely on. If shot instinctive like I did it would take me 40 years to get good again.

As far as cross bows and compounds, what ever makes you a better shot use it. I used to go to a lot of shoots and see guys shooting traditional that couldn't hit a 3d target at 15 yards, while many other guys shot traditional like a sighted compound. I want to be one those guys when I hunt.

Here in NJ they changed the law from only disabled people who could use them to everybody. At first I was afraid for safety sake. I also thought a lot of gun hunters would take up archery and shoot a 100 yards in the woods with them.

I was wrong. We haven't had any accidents and I haven't seen a lot of people in the woods with them, except when I hunt with three friends that use them.

I found that gun hunters that use them are very accuracy conscious and shoot reasonable yardages with them. They expect rifle accuracy and strive for it.

You shouldn't be afraid to mention cross bows. They have been around as long as longbows or more.

Thanks for the thought though.

Gil

PS - I always remember what an outfitter said to me once and adopt that saying for myself. He said, " Shooting the bow is nice, but if you are going to hunt kill". He had some bad experiences with bow hunters.

 

Gil, I hate to give my age out over the internet, but since people here already know I'm feeble, what could it hurt?

First shoulder (left) was done in '21. I was 73. Next was '24, I was 76. Never missed a season, because I had them done in January. My doctor talked to me at great length about 'stuff'. He was also a fly fisherman. Wanted to know the mechanics of shooting a bow, when he found out I shot a stick. He did not reverse my shoulders. Pretty good doctor. He started the hospital I had the surgery done!

Bowmania

 

How long was the recovery? I am thinking I am only going to have the muscles reattached and the bone spurs removed. I was thinking January was a good time too.

I am also thinking that I can leave it a is and just try to get the other muscles stronger to take up the slack. I am not in any pain, my bow arm shoulder is just weak.

I am shooting now and each time it feels a little stronger.

 

Ok boys get the Tar!!!! It’s mamba time lol.
nope all is good.
Gil you need to do what helps with recovery if before surgery or after. Be it an Xbow, compound or gun.
if my season doesn’t start turning around im going to need some serious seasoning for my tag soup lol. Rifle is only good out to 200 and want it out to 500. Not going to take that shot but 300 should be a chip shot around here.
Chad

 

It's going to be Ol' Faithful camo Tribute with SX50 and Simmons Tree Shark. That is one bow I can put down and be right back where I left off.