One of the things that has always irritated me about 'designated' barebow risers is that they invariably roll back in the hand and hit me in the head with the top limb. On Sunday I had the privilege to play with one of Stolid Bull's Vanquish series. Although it is actually designed and promoted as an Olympic riser this riser was the best I've had to hold vertically as a barebow. If I went to a high wrist hold it seemed to do this naturally. Having a play and a look one of the things I noticed about the design is that the pivot of the grip seems to be set further back than usual. So when I got home I dragged out the Luxor and had a long look at it. I decided to make a grip that pivoted half an inch further back to me the archer. Finished last night and tried it down the club today. Lo and behold it now balances with a mere 8 oz in the stab hole, and it actually rolls forward slightly on the shot like an Olympic riser. Before to get it to balance vertically I had to hang about 1.5 lbs of weight off it. I am now holding up 70 oz instead of 90 oz, which is a relief for the old bones. It seems to be shooting all right. I have not finished playing with the grip shape yet. At the moment I've got it very fat, which I think is what Holger recommends. I'm going to try to do it to my Nilo next. Is it really that simple? Or am I missing something?