traditional or what?

[steve morley]

Originally Posted by Bigjono

This argument goes on everywhere it seems. You must remember the old Sagi vs reflex deflex rows from your NFAS days Steve, so even amongst the same styles there are disputes about what is and what isn't. I do agree with what Steve says about sour grapes, people winning don't often moan about others equipment, people being beaten do.

Yeah the good old NFAS days, My bow/aiming method wasnt Trad, I practiced and ruined the spirit of the NFAS by being competitive and shooting good scores, my Bow had marks on, the excuses just kept flowing, some behind my back but many to my face as well. You just cant please some people.

Somebody once said to me that I cant enjoy shooting because I practice so much

I had a few acceptence problems when I first moved to Estonia (A couple didnt think I should be allowed to shoot National tourneys) but once I started representing Estonia in International competition they warmed to me, I feel much more respected here than I was in the UK.

[rusty craine]

Thanks Greysides. I tried to google it but couldn't find it.

Green. Dalaa and Warf indeed. "IT" goes way past them. they are traditional......




now this guy is neo-traditional

rusty

[NJWoodsman]

Hit & Run Troll! A few too many Super Bowl beers, perhaps?

The sad thing is there are people who believe all that nonsense. When I first started out I believed too much of it, and my shooting and enjoyment of the sport both suffered. I had to find what worked for me and discard the misinformation. People who don't know any better are done a disservice by those with closed minds and false nostalgia.

[Warped Arrow]

Rusty, What the heck is that thing called?!?!?!

[benzy]

A "bow"

traditonal or what?... I choose WHAT!

[Bigjono]

I take it you won't be doing the NFAS 3D's again this year then Steve. There are many in the NFAS that look on archery as a competitive sport, but they are outnumbered by the old guard to whome it's just a jolly day out in the woods with friends.
Trad doesn't really exist much in North America anymore I don't think. Metal risers and carbon arrows just feel a bit wrong to me. Wooden bows shooting wooden arrows should really be called trad, but whatever fits into the class is what you can shoot I guess. I just shoot my AFB and POC arrows, if I come out on top that's great, if I don't I don't moan about the winners gear I just practice harder for next time.

[rusty craine]

It is a riser



Made in Sweden, called the Variable.

rusty

[benzy]

It is a riser

OK you got me.

[Bowbender Mike]

" Made in Sweden, called the Variable."

Maybe if you had it dipped in a snakeskin pattern and hung a 'coon tail on it...

[Seven Arrows]

Originally Posted by Bigjono

\Wooden bows shooting wooden arrows should really be called trad

Really? Why should they?

Since the 15th century, archery has been defined as:

1 : the art, practice, or skill of shooting with bow and arrow
2 : an archer's weapons
3 : a body of archers

It should be patently obvious, especially to a self professed university professor, such as Green-Shanks, that traditionally, archery includes a myriad of techniques and various weapons, including crossbows (great and small) and repeating crossbows - developed by the Chinese - circa 15th century, as well as modern metal risers, carbon arrows, compound bows and modern crossbows.

All of the aforementioned are included in: an archer's weapons.

The idea that traditional archery should preclude any item or ban any selected method or material flies in the face of history.

As Steve has duly noted, tourneys and exhibitions are correct in designating categories and restrictions, but all categories of archery are correctly titled traditional, as long as a bow, a string and an arrow are included.

The wooden headed neo-trad bigots would do well to find another term besides Trad, to define their whining aloofness from the rank and file archers who are truly traditional, factually and spiritually.

[Bob Gordon]

i used to troll too but my trolling was restricted to trolling for salmon in Puget Sound, Washington...lol..never tried it on the internet as I heard all you would catch were suckers...warf

[raisins]

As stated before, "traditional" is in the eye of the beholder. People that shoot bows with metal risers, etc, probably don't stay up at night worrying if their bows are "traditional" or not. I'm merely an archer, I shoot what I like and don't need to add traditional to it. I just don't care. So, you are creating a concern that many just don't have. The most advantageous thing about my set-up, from my perspective, is the wrist sling, elevated rest, and weighted riser. I bet if someone had that on a wood bow, there wouldn't be much question. The metal riser and carbon limbs give some extra speed but are more a matter of feel, for me.

[raisins]

Originally Posted by Bigjono

Metal risers and carbon arrows just feel a bit wrong to me.

Do you have any you'll sell cheap then?

[RCM]

I am sorry but I can't contain myself any longer but to put my two cents in.

These kind of threads IMO are designed to elicit just such a response. If we want to not have them then the solution is to ignore them and not engage in the argument. When a persons thread remains at 0 responses they will get board and go away.

I find no need to explain to anyone why I shoot the way I want to shoot!!!!

Rich

[Old Sarge]

Ya know I don't mind trollin, but the one thing that really erks me is to read a thread about what's TRAD that's typed on a no-TRAD keyboard.

Hey Shanks, the next time you want to post a stupid !@# thread on here about what's trad I want you to make sure you use a purely trad homemade Osage keyboard. Be sure that you sand it down real good with some course sinew so you don't splinters. If you can't do that then your post has no validity. BTW next time you drive down to your local grocery store make sure you drive your Model A.

[Bigjono]

SEVEN ARROWS, how very eliquant was your reply, I appreciate the history lesson. Not sure on your use of the word "error" though. As I said, I am not really bothered by any of it but I have my opinion and listen gladly to others so please do not call my opinion an error, it is just an opinion. I don't consider myself qualified to comment on exactly what the tradition of archery really is, I just shoot a bow.

[Sam Dunham]

I kiked the second Eagle that came in just when the Wolf thought he had the better of the first Eagle. The tail wag of "I've got you now! ended in a second set of talons in his back. Trees are good, so is aluminum!

[smoked]

If it can send a arrow down range, I like it! That being said, I do not own a compound or crossbow. When some of my friends bring theirs over I'll shoot them, and it is fun. I hunt with recurves and longbows because that is what I like. I could give a rats @ss if it falls into someones definition of "trad". Shoot what you like and try not to worry about what everyone else is shooting!

[Rick Harrelson]

I like both metal and wood risers. I have to admit, when I think of "Traditional" my mind goes to Wood laminate bows. Love my BB Warf though. I feel like I am getting away with something because I got such a nice bow for so little money(with help from Warf, SLR, Dave Sosa, and Ebay).

I have always found myself somewhere near the middle...

My other bow is a "92 MAII 60#@29 62" Gotta love the grain in those wood bows. Like fine furniture-beautiful and functional.

Rick

[Rick Harrelson]

Oh yeah!

Can't we all just get along?