You can aim!!

[beleg2]

On another forum some people are discovering that if you aim you can shoot a bow more accurately.LOL
I do not know if I can put a link to another forum. If it is forbiden please delete this post.

http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=003076

I can not belive some post...too naive. Some target vs huntig coments.

Martin

[van_fl]

:2cents:
ROTFLMAO:)

[Free Range]

I guess I don’t understand, I read all the post in this link and didn’t see anything of great interest there. Most said if winning and target shooting are what you want then it might be a good idea to emulate those that are winning. A few said that POA wasn’t their cup of tea but didn’t put down those that use it.

[beleg2]

Free,
What I find strange is that most just discover that there is another way to shoot a bow rather than instictive.
JMHO
Martin

[Pinelander]

Yes Martin, that is just what I was going to say....

I think it's rather amusing that some trad bowhunters are just now discovering that instinctive shooting isn't the only aiming game in town.

[rusty craine]

yes ya can aim but some thing I found out.....it is dang hard work :)

rusty

[Desert Archer]

Those who "politely" objected to aiming said you would loose "the romance" and "innocence". They prefer less accuracy to being innocently romantic. My apologies to the instinctive shoters here on TT but what jibberish.

Dave

[Pinelander]

Reminds 'em too much of shooting a compound, ya know. But with the exception of using binocs.... I don't see anything odd about staring at the target, coming to full draw, aiming, and releasing.

Yeah, the whole history, attraction, and self-satisfaction thing.... guess it can be pretty cool playing the period re-enactment thing. Which period I'm not so sure.... maybe the Asbell '80's thing? I always thought that was pretty cool myself.

Sure enough Rusty.... it ain't easy, but the rewards can be great, and I ain't talking about plastic trophies either.

[rhust]

Not everyone does things the same way, or likes the same stuff. Would be a pretty boring world if everyone did. Most people are educated in the different ways to shoot, and choose what they like best. If someone has more fun shooting one way or the other, who is anyone to say that they are doing it wrong. If someone wants to change for whatever reason there is a lot of info on each way. It all comes down to doing what you like best. If I had to shoot one way and one way only I might not be involved with archery. I do things my way because it is the most rewarding for me.

[Wingman]

Yeah, the whole history, attraction, and self-satisfaction thing.... guess it can be pretty cool playing the period re-enactment thing. Which period I'm not so sure.... maybe the Asbell '80's thing? I always thought that was pretty cool myself.


I seriously think the force behind the phenomena is George Lucas and Star Wars--your eyes can decieve you, trust your feelings. Most of the guys caught up in the purity of instrictive shooting are in the under 40 crowd raised on a diet of super-human Jedi Knights.

Ken

[Desert Archer]

rhust,

I don't believe anyone here (TT) objects to anyone shooting "instinctively", what ever that means. The problem comes up when they object to someone shooting any other way, or they claim some kind of superiority (romance/innocence) over everyone else. "Instinctive" doesn't make you better or purer and certainly not more accurate.

Davev

[Pinelander]

Well, I certainly don't have anything against folks shooting instinctively, heck I utilize it on occasion when bowhunting, but not always.

Yeah Wingman, I can relate to the Jedi thing.... it feels great to be able to point and shoot accurately in a matter of seconds without "aiming" per say. With all due respect to instinctive shooters Wingman, I would narrow that down to the under 25 crowd myself (generally speaking of course). And before anyone blasts me on that, there must be SOME reason that trad archers often complain when targets are set further than 20-25 yards at 3D shoots. Maybe it has to do with "unethical" bowhunting distances, but I would guess it's more than just that.

I like to have fun too... but tracking gut shot deer or losing a bunch of arrows in the grass, doesn't seem like much fun to me. Maybe it's just me, but I think there is a disproportionate amount of trad archers that place "fun and romance" above everything else. But I guess that's OK too, at least they are into it and perpetuating the sport, which is a good thing. When target shooting, I suppose fun and romance fits well if one is not competitive in nature, but bowhunting is different.... or is it?

Why is it that shooting well at targets is often viewed as not having much to do with bowhunting? Using the arrow to aim is often compared to that of using a sight on a bow, well whadyaknow about that! And I've heard it a gazillion times.... he can't shoot targets all that well, but if it's got hair on it... he's deadly. Must be that "getting close, great hunter, more satisfaction" thing. That fella Kingwouldbe.... he said some things that could be viewed as a "wakeup call", but I think there are some that would rather not hear it.

[dan worden]

Ok I am still working on my shooting, but this is what has been working for me lately.

Bow arm out hand on the string. Place the arrow tip at six o'clock of intended spot (X on 300 target) draw without moving bow arm. Set double anchor, focus on spot, release and follow through.

So what am I doing? Aimstinctive? :)

Does this void my trad card? Is it not aimed enough that I'm an outcast among the aimers too?

Am I banned from bows to live with the firearms hunters? :confused:

[Desert Archer]

dan,

That's called Point of Aim and it is a technique that goes back about as far as archery. In the early days of target archery (before recurves) they used markers on the ground in front of the target as their "points of aim". Very traditional.

That being said, there are some who would say you have lost the "romance" and "innocence" of traditional. I think they're full of donky dung, but that's just my opinion. (smile)

Dave

[Gino Bruno]

my take on it is that it is all personal preference. i am a hunter first and foremost and feel that i owe it to the animal that i intend on killing to give it the most humane death possible. that said, i have just started learning a gap method after watching a buddy of mine get some personal instruction from bob gordon. needless to say, his shooting went from good to amazingly consistent within our hunting ranges...... being a fairly open minded guy, i saw it's potential and am dedicated to learning how to do it well to eliminate those "off days" (thanks bob and rod for answering all of my newbe aiming questions).

the strange thing is (maybe i missed a post) that i did not see a post on TG where anyone was claiming superiority as an instinctive or poking fun at anyone that may be naive to aiming methods. heck, until december i did not even know this site existed...... that is naive but certainly not something to poke fun at...... needless to say, i have learned a ton about aiming from a few people here.

maybe if some of the talent that we have here on this site would offer up advise....... better yet, "how to" aiming threads on other sites, more people would discover the accuracy that can be achieved even for average archers.

threads like this certainly won't....jmho....... but again maybe i am just naive.

[Albertakid]

This is what I think it comes dowm too and that is

Guessing vs. Gapping

When your shooting instinctive you are guessing that the arrow is gonna hit the mark based on the feeling in your gut,your subconcious, and the planets all being in alignment. and when it works man is it sweet to feel the release go off and see the arrow hit where you where looking it is awesome.

Now when your gapping from the arrow or the bow you are conciously judging the distance and calculating the shot as you go through the process of getting your arrow in the target where you want it to be. When it all works there is a feeling of accomplishment that what your doing is working and it is sweet as well.

So here is what you have to ask yourself when looking for better accuracy (and I ought to know been fighting this fight myself) Are you happy guessing at where your arrow is going?? and the results that come from that? Or would you rather take pride that your shots go where they do because you made them?!!

Now I am not saying one way is better or worse, but after much trial and arrow and some important discussions ( thanks Bob Gordon) I have come to the conclusion that repeatability will beat guesstimation everytime and when the shot is on the line I would rather know it is going there than think it might!

Jordan

[beleg2]

A Disclaimer:
I have high respect for the guys at TG, I check it every day and I post some times but I find fummy some posts.
Something like: Oh! there is another way so shot! not only instictive.
No ofence intended just think some friend would find interested to read this thread.
Martin

[Gino Bruno]

martin- i understand...... i realize that there are sometimes differences in cultural/language barriers that make it tough to convey meanings and intentions...... especially from a keyboard. that said, for those of us that live here there really is no excuse. especially from the talent that exists here.

[van_fl]

What I find amazing is no matter how you want to define it, when you send a projectile at something, it doesn’t matter if it is a ball, rock, bullet or an arrow. The thing will not get to its intended location, unless some kind of intentional direction is imparted. And that is called aiming the projectile. How you do it is your choice.:2cents:

May the farce be with you :lol:

[dan worden]

So "point of Aim" is arrow tip at pre-draw, and "point on" is arrow tip at full draw?

[tuffshot]

Instinctive is inheirent, Aiming is instinctivly progressive:)

[Martin Farrent]

May the farce be with you :lol:

Or the women...

I kid you not!

I saw a guy doing very averagely at a shoot, but using a pretty wooden bow. A nice-looking lady spectator wanted to handle the bow, and sure as hell he got around to saying that he didn't aim. She was visibly impressed - as if he'd just produced a Swiss Army Knife the very moment she needed to peel an apple.

(That's the trouble with stringwalking, btw. Rusty. At least gappers can lie about aiming when the groupies arrive, but stringwalkers can't pretend. If they can't at least produce a Swiss Army Knife when needed, they're lost.)

Funny though, in terms of evolution. Isn't it about time the women preferred thinking men to the Tarzans who can't even cross a city road? Like a candle-lit table, a bottle of Margaux, rabbit in truffle sauce and some deep, romantic talk about tightening your gaps with a longer arrow...

Naaaaah, "I don't aim," sounds a whole lot more manly, I suppose. A mysterious shrug of the shoulder when the obvious question is asked, then bring talk around to tracking dinosaurs or skinning tigers. A guy who doesn't aim is in the James Bond class and could fly a space shuttle without tuition. Gappers, stringwalkers and whimps with sights may possibly do the dishes, but would be hopeless in a real-life situation like an Iranian invasion. ;)

Best,

Martin

[Jeff Durnell]

Ahhh, pretty bow envy. That's too bad :)

You gotta be careful with pretty bows around women though.

As long as a bow is entombed in glass with some 'manufactured' flats, edges and corners and artificially dolled-up with exotic woods and fancy overlays, they may politely ogle them in person, but they'll walk away sniping... "Like, those aren't even her real limbs, she was wearing FIBERglass... can you believe it? and that riser? Oh..... magawd, could she BE any more gaudy?....."

But if a bow is naturally drop dead gordeous, they can get more jealous than even the guys hooked up with the ugliest of bows, A LOT more jealous. Women know, the bows with the most class don't wear glass, and if she catches her man's hands fondling the limbs of a naturally beautiful, petite, osage selfbow with ample honestly-grown curves in all the right places, things are gonna get ugly. Trust me, I know.

I've kept my harem favorites out in the shop since the wife found Grace and Joscelyne, two such seductresses, leaning against the headboard on my side of the bed. :sbrug:

[Desert Archer]

LOL - Jeff, you just explained why my wife doesn't object to my archery interest. I shoot metal risers with foam/carbon limbs and carbon/aluminum arrows with plastic vanes. Not a bit of wood in the whole system. Heck my quivers aren't even leather, they're Cordura. She has nothing to fear from my un-lovely stuff. (LOL again)

Dave

[Papabull]

Jeff, some of the snaky longbows I've seen look like Olive Oyl with Scoliosis but those are curves, too, sure enough. They're just different curves than I think about when I think about gorgeous bows. The venerable Wing Presentation si one of the prettiest I've ever seen. One man's trash is another man's treasure. :)

[Wingman]

When I started aiming...

there was a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly: loss of essence. I can assure you it has not recurred. Women... women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, but I do deny them my essence.

General Jack D Ripper

[rhust]

Just got back from a shoot today, and all the targets were less than 35 yards. I just looked at where I wanted to hit and with good solid form made the shots. Shot a 362 out of 400. Had a fun day with the family in the hills doing what we love.

[Papabull]

Just got back from a shoot today, and all the targets were less than 35 yards. I just looked at where I wanted to hit and with good solid form made the shots. Shot a 362 out of 400. Had a fun day with the family in the hills doing what we love.

Sounds like you had a fun day and shot a heck of a good score too. Shoot 'em whatever way works best for you is what it's all about in my book. You know when you've got it right and it sure sounds like you got it right. :)