Warf a Carbon Riser?

[fulldraw]

Anyone ever tried to warf a carbon riser compound? I'm thinking of trying to use a High Country Carbon Force riser that is gathering dust in the garage. :sbrug:

- Vic

[DAS]

Vic,
There are only a few compound risers that are suitable for warfing and they are all from the 70's and 80's. With the new geometries on compound bows, you can't warf them.

[the other DWS]

Dave, I believe you could warf almost any of them if you were willing to make some monster thick shims that would have to be the size of door stop wedges. And it'd make an ugly contraption mega-ugly. Its a question of "is the game worth the candle". Possible --probably . . . but practical---highly doubtful, unless of course you are a totally demented tinkerer. Now exactly what model riser was that?

[thisbucks4u]

Any bow can be converted. The criteria that Im most concerned with is the length of the riser, the amount of deflex, and how to achieve the proper angles. Your draw length and the length of the riser is more of a deciding factor on pocket angles than anything else.

[DAS]

DWS, TB4U,
Yea, anything is possible but to pull it off you would need a really good knowledge of bow geometry and some machining capability. Most folks don't have that ability. There is some pretty weird bow geometry out there in the compound world!

[thisbucks4u]

Dave,

You worry too much. I have NEVER had a bow refuse to shoot an arrow because the limb angle was wrong. If the angle is too steep, you've got a 40 inch draw capable (laugh, that was funny) recurve that will still shoot an arrow at an okay speed. Look at that Mountain Tec bow that DWS did. Damn angles are nowhere close to "acceptable" (Not gonna let that number out of the bag). But it shoots. He made it himself, and that to me is a hell of a lot more impressive than "ordering" one, hopping on the Bandwagon, and pretending to know WTF is going on.

Vic,
The Idea of converting is more along the lines of taking a worthless junk riser and turning it into a good recurve. The definition of a good recurve is up to you.

I would think that the Carbon force is still a desirable compound, maybe you could ebay it, and look for a riser with more workable attributes (limb angles look acceptable (but not correct), but Id want deflex as opposed to reflex, or outtie vs. innie) I think depending on the measurements that you might have trouble gettin alot of speed and poundage out of that one. But It would be smoother than polished glass to draw.

[the other DWS]

For me half the fun is the experimenting. I wish I had the machining tools and skills to REALLY experiment. The Hoyt Mtn. Tec (or whatever it is) worked out just fine-----but that could as well (and probably is) have been Bill Stewarts great limbs overcoming the deficiencies of those specific riser angles. The "Golden Rule" for warf'n appears to be the set of angles and proportions that Earl developed for his risers----in conjunction with his limbs with their specific ratios of curves and curls.
It seems to me that when you move away from the Hoyt inspired limb designs and the riser angles that dominate the ILF/FITA products it really gets to be a crap shoot. If you work within those ranges its hard to get a "bad" combo--once you move outside that set of perameters the odds get weirder on you----but if you keep playing with various combos you'll get lucky once in a while

[fulldraw]

Thanks guys. Know anyone lookin' for a couple of high tech dust magnets? :thankyou:

- Vic

[James on laptop]

Aw heck guys you can warf anything. :) It might not look good, be good or be worth the effort however. :lol:
Fulldraw what does those risers look like?If you can't make recurves out of them maybe they can be longbows instead. :sbrug:

[BenBow]

FullDraw is that right or left handed?

[fulldraw]

Benbow -

That's a right handed Carbon Force with 70# limbs. :shooting:

- Vic

[Pinelander]

Does the bow look something like this?

[Pinelander]

Or does it look more like this?

[fulldraw]

It is the less reflexed (?), longer axle to axle, earlier model of the two. The first picture.

- Vic

[DAS]

TB4U,
You're right of course, I do worry too much! Here's my latest worry. :) .
Aside from the limb angles, which can actually be manipulated to your advantage, the offset of the limbs relative to the grip is also a concern. If you laid that riser along side a FITA riser you would see that the limb pockets are at least 5" farther forward. That is going to put a horrendous amount of preload into the limbs at brace. Some "acceptable" risers like the Proline suffer from this to some extent but still work out fine for short draw archers. The combination of too much negative offset, too little limb angle, and too long of a draw could result in "ballistic" performance! You might want to invest in a good set of chain mail! :lol:

[thisbucks4u]

Yep! pretty much. :)

Not only are you lengthening the effective draw with the reflex, your also shortening the riser. with out having it here in front of me, i would guess you could put as much strain on limbs by using a 23 inch fita riser and drawing it to 38-39 inches.
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