What Risers

[TradRchr]

:help:
What are some of the most "warfable" risers?
How do the older Hoyt risers fit?
Thanks in advance :thankyou:

[OZ in MT]

Bear Black Bear is easiest for me to do. I just Warfed a Hoyt Impala, and I really like it, too. It's more work but the old 10" TD-2 will Warf. There are many others. Look in the archives on this site for "Warf Risers." There have been some great threads listing them all over the last 3 months. If Bob Gordon (the "Warf") gets on, he can list them from experience.

[Bulldog-RI]

I just got through shooting some light carbons out or my WARF Black Bear with Win-Win KAP carbon wood...

It still makes me smile......

Bob made mine, and I know he does Black Bear,
Hoyt TD 3-4, and Proline....

I thought I might see some of you fellas bidding on the fine HOYT M1 limbs I won on eBay last night....grin.
http://pic6.picturetrail.com/VOL170/1739272/8938813/135156935.jpg

http://pic6.picturetrail.com/VOL170/1739272/8938813/135156934.jpg

http://pic6.picturetrail.com/VOL170/1739272/8938813/135156941.jpg

Short HOYT M1's 40#, I belive they will make more like 50# on my riser.....
I got bob looking into making a shorter (19" riser) for me..
He doesn't know if he can yet, but a 60" bow would be great....

MY WARF
http://pic6.picturetrail.com/VOL170/1739272/3343858/130147806.jpg

[Bulldog-RI]

Hmmmm!! :rolleyes:

They must be the HOYT "STEALTH" limbs I could have sworn I saw them there yesterday , Mr. administrator?? :jesus:

Was that a no-no??? :sbrug:

[Warped Arrow]

Bear Black Bear is easiest for me to do. I just Warfed a Hoyt Impala, and I really like it, too. It's more work but the old 10" TD-2 will Warf. There are many others. Look in the archives on this site for "Warf Risers." There have been some great threads listing them all over the last 3 months. If Bob Gordon (the "Warf") gets on, he can list them from experience.

I just purchased a PSE Impala, are they the same critters??? Either way I would love to see a pic of your bow.

[OZ in MT]

The PSE Impala is definitely a different animal - I haven't tried one because I think the limb angle is too steep. I know there are a lot of them laying around out there. I'm currently working on converting some Stallion limbs to a Samick Woodsman riser, Arrow, and I will be posting some pix of that in about a week. I will make it a point to take some of my Impala with KAP limbs and my BB with Hoyt Vectors, and post them along with what I am calling the "Samquinn." Both of these WARFS are equipped with the OZ home camo job, and the Impala even has a funky lead disk I made and put in the stab hole to provide ballast front and below. Should be good for a few laughs. But both of these bows are a joy to shoot. The Impala is 43# and the BB is 49-50#. I made a wedge insert for the Impala and can take it to 46# if I feel like it. Man, this is so much fun! :p

[Warped Arrow]

What about the PSE Deer Hunter? I may be getting one given to me. I think I may try to "warf" it with a set of Quinn limbs. Think it may work??

BTW....What is the optimal limb pocket angle for a warfable riser?

[OZ in MT]

JMO, Arrow, the shallower the better. This is why almost everyone who WARFs wants the Proline. I think it's the shallowest limb angle, maybe around 15 degrees, on a Warfable compound riser and it's got a great handle grade. In order to get extra high performance out of these carbon limbs at draw lengths under 30", you need a shallower angle to get the limbs working earlier in the draw. Since most of these limbs are made to accomodate very athletic draw lengths, you don't have to worry about stacking. Some of the guys who have mills only care about the handle and whether there is still plenty of metal stock in the limb pockets, since they just mill them to the angle they want anyway. But to us home tinkerers, about the only angle modification possible is a 1/16" - 3/32" shim at the outside of the pocket. Obviously, though, the shims are not a long-lasting solution like milling.

Really can't answer your question about the other PSE riser. I haven't worked with it and don't recognize it off-hand. Warf would, if you want to PM him, but my guess is that the angle is too steep. Generally, I don't want any more than 20 degrees. You can get back about 3 degrees with the shim.

[Bob Gordon]

The older PSE risers I have seen I don't care much for, they have hollow limb pockets with not much to fasten ILD adapter plates into and the limb angle is not the best. About 80% of the risers I do are Bear Black Bears, the limb angle is about perfect for most draw lengths, and they work out very well for Quinn limbs as well as the ILF Olympic limbs. I don't like the Proline riser for over 28" draw lengths due to the limb angle, it is flatter than the Bear riser and limb performance is pretty much maxed out at 28", you can't make a 60 lb bow out of a pair of 40 lbs limbs and expect them to behave as designed. I like the old Hoyt Rambo type riser for the real long draw lengths, very smooth draw and a good looking slim riser. You pretty much have to stay within the design perimeters the limbs are built for and that can be controlled by riser length, limb pocket angle combined with draw length, that's one of the reasons that so few old compound risers will make a good recurve. You can stick a pair of ILF limbs on about anything but the end results may not be what you want, it will shoot arrows of course but to get a great bow there is a lot to consider as to limb geometry and draw length. I try to stick pretty close to the geometry of the Olympic bows that these limbs are designed for, pretty hard to beat all the research and development that has gone into those great shooting bows....warf

[Bulldog-RI]

Bob just made me a ProLine Warf riser, and I draw 27". My 44#short KAP limbs went up at least 5# in draw over the Black Bear riser they were on ..... Kinda cool, as I have a 50-55# bow, that shoots like a rocket, and still pulls smooth to my 27". Bob did a special mods for my riser, shortening it 1" on either end, and re-tapping the bolt holes for the ILF fittings...

It doesn't have the super balance of the BB, but is much sleeker, and lighter....

The BB, got a set of HOYT M1 limbs, and at about 43#@ my 27" is still a ROCKET.. and a joy to shoot all day... :cheers:

PS. Bobs custom arrrow rest, is the thing to go with, unless you really want to shoot off a rest.... It works like a charm.

If I ever stop buying bows, and get a digital camera.. I will post some pics... :sbrug:

Gene Charbonneau

[OZ in MT]

Pix would be great, Dog. I'd like to see that one! :)

[fredbearfan]

The grip of the Proline is perfect and shoots like an extension of your arm. If you draw under 28" and use carbon limbs you will sell the rest of your bows.

[jipp]

These are the most-often-discussed candidates that I found from researching MOST of the posts here about risers:

bear black bear (by far most popular) the rest are in no particular order...
gamegetter (old compound)
hoyt rambo
hoyt spectra
ram hunter (hoyt/easton)
hoyt Pro Vantage
Jennings Black Lightning,
Proline Typhoon,
Hoyt Gamegetter II (old compound)
hoyt td3


And some possibles:
hoyt raider

Another memeber posted this but since this thread is in the sticky, i figured i add it so it would be a complete source for risers. Credit goes to whoever posted this on the warf wall.

[gregLewis]

... Both of these WARFS are equipped with the OZ home camo job, ...

Gotta ask...what's the OZ home camo job?

Greg

[Grizzly]

Warf risers suck!!thats my:2cents:

[beleg2]

Another post of Grizzly "friends".
Martin

[Grizzly]

:mistake:
Thanks Martin, for trying to help clear this mess up. I left this site open at work after leaving and "Friends" posted junk, here and there. Sure hope not too many more pop up. Cant figure out how to edit them out.

[beleg2]

No problem Craig . LOL
Now that we know the reason of these posts, its all OK.
Martin

[Steve Jo]

Have you been checked for multiple personalities? :)

[red44]

Hey guys my first post. First, I've seen black bears on ebay, 4 diiferent looking ones. One may be a childs bow I don't know, but the others, one is an older looking green with kind of a stenciled shadow camo, another is a more modern looking camo and it appears to have bigger wheels. And then there's a black bear II. Just what black bear riser is the one to look for? Now on hoyts, rambo, spectra, provantage, prohunter, all the same riser? Is there a preference? I'd be a 30" DL if thats anything to consider. Thanks. Edit, got my answere, thanks.

[2Ten]

[QUOTE=red44]...Now on hoyts, rambo, spectra, provantage, prohunter, all the same riser? Is there a preference? I'd be a 30" DL if thats anything to consider.

I'm curious about this same thing.

[Bob Gordon]

The skinny Hoyt Rambo type riser is a good one. Comes under several names. Rambo, Spectra, Gamegetter, Raider, maybe a couple more. Try to see a picture of the riser, it is pretty skinney with no plastic grip. If in doubt PM me and I will try to see the picture of it to make sure it's the right model. There are so many Hoyt models over the years out there it can get a little confusing at times. I have a big pile of "mistakes" I bought off ebay that won't make a good recurve....lol...warf

[3blades]

just saw a Golden Eagle "Hawk" on craigs list in my area for 30 bucks. Are they Warf-able?
Thanks

http://images.craigslist.org/12b1g51453n93ob3lc8bm8a62f46314021ae1.jpg

[Biblethumpncop]

My dad's friend made one from a golden eagle like that. It made a HUGE bow. With short limbs, it was 67 or 68". Quiet, but LONG!

[ZolcsiBB]

I got interested in making my first own warf. I think it will be much easier to get an old compound and modify it, than finding an already complete warf for sale in Europe. And, of course, I like the idea of costumising it for my needs. (That's what warfing is all about, isn't it?)

I am thinking about either a Black Bear or a Proline riser (or trying both of them), and I have a friend who is interested too, so I will have to make at least one more. Actually, this friend of mine realised he's a LH, and has an old RH Bear compound, yet unknown type. If he will have the time for me, I will take it from him tomorrow. I hope it's a BB. I also put on an ad on the most popular Hungarian archery site about I'm looking for a BB/Jennings or a Proline.

I have a 26,5" draw measured to the plunger when touching the nock, and I'm string walking at all distances.
I would use the bow(s) for starting my competitive carreer in 3D next year. I just would like to attach my ILF limbs on it when I go to a 3D(stronger-faster setup), and back to my 23" riser (more forgiving setup) when I go to a field event, so I would like not to modify anything on the (rather expensive:S) limb.

The bow will have to pass through a ~12cm rigid circle, so internal weighting, like lead in the pocket, or drilling the riser and bolting some Italian-style weights on would be the ways to go. I would like the bow to stand vertical in my hand.

I also would like to remove the old paint and apply a new one. (looks are imprtant...:D)

I have been thinking about the Spigarelli limb adjustment system, if it would be somehow possible to fix into the limb pocket... it would be very nice.

As I have never done such a project, I will probably ask a LOT.

[ZolcsiBB]

http://picasaweb.google.hu/joszaiz/BlackBear#

It's a Black Bear, isn't it?

[Misty Valley Mfg]

Hello fellow archers and was checking into what warfing is as I have a bunch of old American Archery risers and been asked if they are warfable...Now I admit I was really in the dark when asked so did some googling and found this site here. Great site and will be checking it more. Now what I am wondering is if the old American risers are a candidate for Warfing and if not what would it take to modify the riser to make it warfable. We also manufacture parts for bows as limb wahers, stabilizer bushings, steel limb bolt insertd for wood risers, we also have a 3d wood carving maching for making wood risers plus we make all kinds of compound bow parts so if interested in anything contact me.
Regards,
Glen

[DanaC]

Never heard of 'em before, haven't followed compound models in ages, but there's a Hoyt 'SuperStar Meridian' target compound on e-bay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/HOYT-SUPERSTAR-MERIDIAN-TARGET-COMPOUND-BOW-ARROWS_W0QQitemZ250602388190QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_ DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a5910fade

How does that look as a potential warf?