3D scoring tutorial needed

[Esquire]

I am going to my 2d 3D shoot tomorrow. It will not be competitive. Neither was the first. Nevertheless I would like to keep my score for the purpose of measuring my progress.

Not sure exactly how the scoring works. I actually saw some small critters with two sets of rings.

What is the best/most standard way to measure my score?

I assume I can only shoot one time. Can I examine the critter before I shoot if I don't know where the rings are and can't see the beast? [I ask because I noticed that the rings don't always seem to match the animals anatomy, IMO].

If I get a pass through am I overbowed?

What should I have asked that I don't know enough to ask?

Thanks,
Mike

[Esquire]

I just changed the title to something more specific. I just need to know how to score myself.

[swampy]

Around here we score them 10 ,8 ,5 and the small circle in some targets is an X for tie breakers.Some of the small targets don,t have the X and some area,s score that 11 . We normally have 30 targets set out and yes it,s 1 shot per target. Good luck

[Desert Archer]

I just shot in a competition that had 3D as part of the program. There were supposed to be 14 unmarked and 14 marked 3D targets. Because they didn't want to stop everything to mark the course after everyone went through once, we decided to shoot the first arrow as the unmarked, then shoot a second arrow as the "marked" since we would have an idea of the range from the impact of the first arrow. Interesting!

Anyway, it was scored "12" for the little circle, then "10", "8" and "5". That's pretty standard around here, but from what I hear every 3D orginization and most regions of the country have their own "unique" way of scoring. One big reason when someone posts a 3D score they shot, it doesn't mean very much. I'm told even standardizing the scoring won't make things comparible as different courses can be easy or hard (position), long or short (distance) or open or obstructed (shooting lanes). No real way to compair anything that I can tell. YMMV!

Dave

[Esquire]

Thanks guys. Guess that leaves me free to report whatever I want!

I'm just kidding. Thanks for the responses. I guess I'll go by local custom and just try to use a consistent method, since for now I am mainly concerned with my own progress.

[BLACK WOLF]

The way you can compare 3D tournaments is by sharing as much info about the shoot as possible.

I set some examples of the types of info that will help compare each shoot in the 3D portion of this forum.

Ray ;)

[MDBowhunter]

You had mentioned that one of the problems you face is not knowing exactly where the scoring ring is. This is a problem that will cost you a bunch of points. During my first year of shooting 3D, I just shot for "behind the shoulder". While shooting that way can get you ready for hunting season, it does not always produce the highest score.

A couple of things, for most of the Mckenzie targets you can run a line from up from the back of the front leg and 1/3 of the way up the body to put you in the middle of the 10 ring. Another "trick" is that if you "have" to shoot further back because of an obstruction, aim higher as the ring extends further back if you hit high. There are always targets that do not fit these criteria, such as some of the African animals have the scoring rings further forward, directly inline with the center of the front leg, but then of course some don't. After shooting a few times you will become more familiar with a target specific "sweet spot".

If this is only your second time shooting 3D, just have fun and try to hit where you would if you were in the field. Most important, have a good time.

[Lumis17]

Esquire,

Over here we score 10, 8, 5 and no points for any arrows that go in the base of the 3D.

The 3Ds with multiple scoring rings are for different angled shots. Its normally pretty easy to see which set of rings to go after.

If you're shooting for score and progress then you want to know where you're aiming at on each target. Bring some binoculars to 3D shoots, they help a ton when you can't make out the scoring rings. Even if you can see the scoring rings they help you concentrate and "zone in" on the inner ring better IMO.

If you really want to see how you progress then I would suggest keeping a break-down of each target. After each shot write down the type of target you were shooting at, the distance of the target (either by going off your shot or stepping it off when walking to the target), and what, if anything, felt wrong with the shot. If you're using some type of split-vision style then it might be a good idea to write down how far you think the target is before you shoot at it. IMO this is a good way to see if there are any "patterns" in your shooting, like maybe you're missing the small critters at 20 yards or you're mis-judging targets around 25 yards, etc. Also, afterwards it helps you think back to the shoot more clearly so you can better practice on what you did wrong. This might sound pretty tedious and possibly "un-traditional", but I have yet to see a good shooter, compound or recurve, who did not work very hard to get where they are at.

[swampy]

I forgot ta say whay Lumis said about no score for the base of the target even if it is still foam.Some small targets have "rocks" which are actaully foam that the animal is standing on.Those are miss,s same as the stump the grizz stands on.

Even course,s set up at the same locations can vary in difficulty from shoot to shoot so it,s hard to compare scores.It,s been suggested that there be a rating system like there is for golf but that seems likeit would be difficult at best to do

[Esquire]

Thanks again guys.

Lumis, I'm not too worried over what is or isn't "traditional". Far as I'm concerned, a little science applied to the desire for progress can go a long way. Thanks for the advice.

Fellows, I'll do what I can, learn as I go, and report honestly, even if it hurts!

Time to hit the road :shooting: .

[Papabull]

Local/Club shoots usually follow one of the following sets of rules, but variations of these rules are not uncommon so asking what rules apply at each shoot is usually a good idea. Many have handouts with their rules at the registration desk.


NFAA rulebook (http://www.ibo.net/rules)
IBO RULES governing 3D (http://www.ibo.net/rules)


(excerpt of IBO rules governing scoring rings) For all sanctioned I.B.O. Shooting events, the scoring must be as follows:

11 Small circle centered within the ten ring. Approximately 25% of the ten ring will be used. Arrow must at least touch the circle. This score would reflect 11 on the scorecard.

10 Circle inside vital area. Arrow must at least touch circle.

8 Vital area other than the 10 point circle. Arrow must at least touch the vital area line.

5 Remainder of the animal touching body color.

0 A hit in the horn or hoof not touching body color, any other miss, or glance off.

[Desert Archer]

Thought you guys might find this of interest. In the Police Olympics I shot in they called the "12" ring and "X" and then used a straight 10, 8, 5 score. Made it easier to figure what the possible was (28 targets = 280) and Xs used to break any ties. That kind of makes sense to me, i.e. 20 target course is 200, 30 target course is 300, 40 target course is 400, etc. and Xs instead of 12s. What do you regular 3D shooters think?

Dave

[van_fl]

Dave that’s not new
That the way we used to score. Then the pro shooters wanted a way to make up a bad shot so the 12 was added in place of the X.

I shot a shoot one time that a wound was a negative 8 and only the 10 and 8 ring counted. that made one great 3D shoot.
:shooting:

[Desert Archer]

Van,

Had a guy tell me yesterday about a shoot Fred Bear put on back before the days of 3D. It was a kind of animal round (paper animal targets) but he scored it 10 for a hit in the kill zone, -1 for a miss and -10 for a wounding shot. Think maybe ol' Fred understood what bowhunting was all about?

Dave

[Lumis17]

That's an interesting scoring system, but then most people would probably be turning in negative scores.

Remember, traditional archery is all about making everyone feel good about themselves :) And looking good of course...

[Desert Archer]

Remember, traditional archery is all about making everyone feel good about themselves And looking good of course...

That's what's wrong with it and the public school system, Lewis. Say, you don't suppose the neo-trad movement got started by NEA members, do you?

Dave, with tongue firmly planted in cheek!

[Esquire]

There were 40 targets. Scoring was 5, 8, 10, miss. Rallen will testify that we shot strictly to have fun and had numerous distractions. The targets ranged from 12 to 30 yards, give or take a little. I shot the feeble score of 225 out of a possible 400.

Thankfully that leaves me nowhere to go but up! How was I supposed to know where the kill zone was on a red bottomed baboon!

Guess it won't be long, Papa, before my wife is whipping my tail at the 3D course. She apparantly won't even need to practice much. :)

The main thing is, my boys and I had a blast, and since we weren't shooting with other people they thought I was really good :D . Check out the photo album under Esquire's kids - all the pics except the first one are from the shoot.

Esquire's_first_3D_shoot_w/_his_boys! (http://www.tradtalk.com/yappa-ng/index.php?album=%2FTradTalk_Kids%2FEsquires_Kids)

Mike

[badger]

Scoring Field rounds in the UK under NFAS rules (animal faces or 3D) there are only 2 scoring zones, a kill or a wound.
There are 3 peg positions (shooting position) and they are marked as red, white and blue. one arrow from the first peg scores 20 for a kill or 16 for a wound. If you fail to score, you can walk on to the next peg (white) and again shoot 1 arrow. This time the scores available are lower at 14 for a kill an 10 for a wound. again a miss means a third shot from the blue peg with values of 8 and 4. Once you have scored, then you dont shoot again at that target. I must add that the pegs are usually positioned at reducing distances from the target and also different angles.
"does that make sense?"