Win & Win limbs

[Holmes]

Greetings,

Is there an appreciable performance difference between the W&W Challenger limbs and their ACT limbs?

The Challenger limbs are affordable but do they truly represent a distinct improvement over the factory Gold Medalist limbs?

Thanks.

-Holmes

[Cueball]

Holmes, I don't have the answer as I am new to the olympic limb family. But several guys out here can answer this for you so I am bumping it up to the top.



........................................Roby...... .....................................

[the other DWS]

Holmes, I'm looking through the Lancaster cataalogue as I'm writing, WW shows the Challenger as two types; a carbon and somethng version @ 199 per and a maple/fibreglass @ 149. I don't see an ACT listed, but the archery companies seem to change the names practically every other season of the year. carbon may be a real valueable additon--or it could be more of a marketing gimmick-----carbon fibre is IN everywhere now. next it'll be in our wheaties and toilet paper

[Holmes]

I couldn't find the ACT limbs catalogued anywhere either.

There is a set on eBay that prompted my query.

Here's the link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7147323366&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

-Holmes

[Viper]

Holmes -

I recall Limbwalker speaking very highly of the Challenger limbs. Said they were basically a Hoyt design. Sorry, not familiar with these either. If their not in the Lancaster catalogue, probably a discontinued item.

My personal experience with Hoyt limbs, has been that the wood limbs are good, the carbons are fantastic, the older (no longer produced) Carbonplus limbs were top of the heap, performance wise. Even Hoyt, kinda admitted that, in an under their breathe sort of way.

Viper out.

[Holmes]

Yeah, I thought they might be an older item since I couldn't find anything out on them.

Just got a call from an acquaintance over at the local sporting goods shop just a while ago about a PSE he received in error. He says it's an Intrepid model. He called me before he returned it because he says nobody else in town is interested in these 'silly lookin' metal bows with sissy draw weights'! This from a wheelie bow shooter!

I'll go look at it tomorrow and see if his 'offer' is truly as good as he postulates.

Do you have any input regarding PSE target bows?

-Holmes

[the other DWS]

Lancaster shows the Intrepid riser ("lightweight-- machined-- 25") as the next to the top of the line at $349. not familiar enough with Lancaster to know if that is a complete bow or just the riser. PSE limbs can run the gamut from solid fibreglas on some of their low end recurves to some real good ones made for them by Win & Win. I have a set of their W&W made Zones that are real nice.

[Lane Puckett]

I couldn't find the ACT limbs catalogued anywhere either.

There is a set on eBay that prompted my query.

Here's the link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7147323366&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

-Holmes

Holmes,
That is a bit steep even on the starting bid. I've only been looking in the past two months and have picked up these limbs anywhere from $150 to $200. $200 is the magic number, any of the carbons seem to bring that because (my opinion) there is a W&W carbon limb that retails under that (Challenger carbon). Get an email to Obi Wan (warf) and he can get you dialed in.

:sbrug: poor Bob ends up bidding against some of us after giving free advice

What a guy.

Lane

[Mark]

Are you talkling about the Winact limbs? If so, I believe that Win&Win have been making that model for a few years and they have won quite a few titles with them. Maybe John can shed more light on the performance differences. I'm thinking of getting a pair of light weight glass Challenger limbs from Robert.

[Bob Gordon]

Lane...How right you are! You guys are always screwing me out of Olympic limbs on Ebay, but that's OK as I get to install the ones you paid to much for on my risers!! LOL...Those new W&W $200. carbons are excellent limbs, you get a lot of bang for the buck with them. Robert now has some dealer contacts and you can get them thru his store, but like every bow shop in the country right now nobody has any, guess everybody is waiting for the big boat from Korea to dock in the US....warf

[Holmes]

Mark,

You are right, they are the Winact limbs. Just found them on the Win & Win site. Apparently they are a couple of steps up from the Challengers, just under the exotic foam/carbon limbs.


the other DWS,

That price is the riser only. Complete bows list out around $525 according to my guy at the sporting goods store. The one he received has the maple & glass limbs instead of the high end carbon units. I think I'm going to pass on it however, and work with this Gold Medalist I have. The wood/glass limbs are in good shape and I'd like to give the riser a custom facelift.

Lane,

Believe I'll hold tough for a while as this is an area I am really uneducated in. Too easy to throw my money away. When the time comes for some carbons, I believe I will touch base with Warf and see what his thoughts are.

Thanks gentlemen.

-Holmes

[James Wrenn]

Kind of off the subject for Holmes but....how do the Hoyt vectors stack up in the limb lineup?The ones I have are very smooth but are they considered pretty good limbs? Yall have another one here that is a little behind on this stuff. :)

[TBHNTR]

Re: Win&Win

I think someone needs to think hard about whether they know someone in Korea... or knows someone that knows someone. Maybe there's a shortcut to all this waiting and waiting for limbs.

[Mark]

I've bought from these people a couple times and the shipping is fast. Our dollar has been holding strong for about a week now. In fact this is the strongest I've seen it in several months.


http://www.altservices.co.uk/

Shipping for limbs will be around $25

[Heathen]

Between the Gold Medalist Hoyt maple/ glass limbs and W&W carbon limbs, I'll take the older Hoyts in a heartbeat.

From my experience with the a set of PSE Pro Elite carbons by W&W and the Hoyt GM's the PSEs aren't even close. IMHO

Jim

[Desert Archer]

James,

If I understand the lineage, Vectors were the decendents of the older Hoyt CarbonPlus limbs, the "Plus" standing for foam cores. The latest version of this limb is the new M1. All these Hoyt carbon/foam limbs are considered excellent. They are a step down in price from the top of the line (G3s) but still a very good limb.

When I go to the target range near here, the Olympic Recurve shooters who have Hoyts have lots of old CarbonPlus or Vectors and continue to shoot them. I have a set of Long Vectors and a new set of M1s. On certain days I think the M1s might be smoother, but it might be my mind wanting to justify the purchase (LOL). Vector limbs are an excellent choice and if you have a chance to get some, don't pass it up.

I should add, I draw all of these back to 32.5" with absolutely ZERO stacking. When I called Hoyt and asked about "overdrawing" them, Hoyt said I couldn't overdraw their limbs. That says something about their quality and construction.

Dave

[Bob Gordon]

Well....In my experience with Olympic limbs and I have or had just about every make and model of these limbs since they were made. I hate to say it but I regard the best limbs out there as those made in Korea by Win & Win or Samick. Hoyt's are great limbs, rather over priced as compared to the others but still good stuff. But of all the limbs I have had, shot over a crono and competed with I,m afraid I would have to rate the better grades of the imported limbs as being better. I just wish the best limbs said "made in the USA" on them but that is not the case, bummer....What gets to me is Hoyt keeps comeing out with "new" models of their top of the line of limbs and in my opinion they keep getting slower. I have several pairs of the older Carbon Plus Hoyt's and they will blow away the newer Hoyt's thru my crono every time. And in my opinion the all time top Olympic limbs are the old Sky Archery carbons, fast, stable, long lasting and near impossible to get your hands on nowadays. Don't sell Hoyt's short though, they are still world class stuff, capable of winning any tourament on the planet and they ARE made in the USA....warf

[James Wrenn]

Thanks Dave.I never have to worry about overdrawing anything. ;)

[DAS]

I don't have nearly the experience that Bob does, but I've been cranking a LOT of arrows through the chrono over the last few months and everything I've seen supports what Bob said. The Hoyt limbs seem to be very smooth but the speed doesn't match the better imports. The exception is the older creme colored C+ limbs. Those things really shoot. I picked up a pair a while back and made the mistake of offering to sell them before actually shooting them. I won't do that again! I haven't tested any of the newest, greatest Hoyts, so I can't say anything about that.

[James Wrenn]

Hey David,what color are mine? :lol: check your pms

[DAS]

James,
At least they are getting a good home! :)

[James Wrenn]

The bad thing is I am afraid if I keep seeing all those pictures and hearing how happy everyone seems they might wind up back on one of those space bow risers of yours anyway! :lol:

[DAS]

James,
You can't go wrong with a Warf Riser, and wouldn't go wrong with a DAS. Any card you draw is an ace! :)

[Desert Archer]

Bob, the Sky limbs are impressive. I have a medium set of Sky Carbon limbs that are rated at only 26#. Of course in the short riser of the Warf (about 63.5" AMO) and at my extended draw (32.5") I get 41# from them. That wimpy 41# drives 360-380g arrows at over 190 fps. And those old Skys don't have the hi-tech foam cores that are all the rage today, just hard-rock maple. Too bad I gave up 3D as that Warf/Bear/Sky is a shooter (LOL).

Since this has kind of generalized into a discussion of limbs of all kinds, I have to put in a plug for Border of Scotland limbs. I bought a 3-5 year old set of Border XP-10s off eBay and they out perform everything I have seen or owned. I am saving my nickles and dimes to try and get a new (latest generation)set from them.

Dave

[Scooter]

I've got a set of W&W synegzy limbs on my warfer and have been very pleased with them both from a noise and performance stand point. I think I may have located another set for my next bow which is great. My only other limbs are the stock limbs on my gamemaster and a set of light c+ limbs on my FITA rig. That's the nice thing about these bows, search around and you can find a decent set of limbs used and you can use them from bow to bow and upgrade as money allows. Some day I'll pop for one of those high end limbs brand new.

[Bob Gordon]

Scooter...Those W&W Synergzy limbs you have are about as good as a high end limb can get, they are good stuff. If you have located another pair your pretty lucky, used limbs are getting pretty tough to find nowadays. Guess it's my fault a little bit as all you guy's with warfers are finding them all before I can, thank's a lot guys!!!...LOL....warf