Pics of my warf Gamemaster

[Cueball]

I am going to try and post this pics for you guys.

[Cueball]

Here is another for you.

[DAS]

Man,
That is an outrageous piece of hardware! Those new limbs really juice it up don't they! This website is every Leatherwallers nightmare!

[Cueball]

I love this bow!

[Esquire]

Oh, that is a sweet looking bow, Cue. I like the look of that riser. You'll have to upload it into the warf bow photo album.

[Cueball]

Hey if i get you to do the camo on the limbs I could call it a Warfmaste with W/W kinetic camo bow.

LoL

Seriously I would like to speak with you about the camo thing.


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[Lane Puckett]

Man,
That is an outrageous piece of hardware! Those new limbs really juice it up don't they! This website is every Leatherwallers nightmare!

would they really cringe?

I shot a Bear mag handle take down for quite a few years and it was really nice. these bows are not really that far off from the bear. performance maybe but not physical setup. in fact there were more moving parts on the Bear.

[Bob Gordon]

Cueball...Looks like your up and around now, glad to hear that your feeling better. Any idea what the speed difference is between the stock wood/glass Hoyt Gamemaster limbs and the new carbon W&W hot rod limbs? When I had it I noticed a lot of difference in the string when it was braced. The stock limbs felt like a rubber band and the carbon's had a lot more tension before you started to draw the bow. I guess they would be the same draw weight at full draw....warf

[Holmes]

I haven't even shot my Gold Medalist yet and already I lust for a set of those carbon limbs!

This place is having a most profound effect upon my financial status :eek:

-Holmes

[Bob Gordon]

Holmes...Yea, this can be a expensive place to hang around, also you can catch some addictions here, just ask The Other DWS and a few others!!...LOL....You also can get a major case of archery overload pretty fast, lots of good stuff in a small package here....warf

[1bjd]

Que,
Man what a BEAUTY. Warf is de-man with those conversions. Like he said in his post the W&W limbs seem to hold more static stress, Dont know what else to call it, or preload, they are just tighter than stock Hoyt limbs. When ya draw them they actually feel smoother as you reach full draw. Again congrats on a wonderful weapon! :) John

[Cueball]

Bob, I am feeling better for sure. Turned out I have Pnemunia in my left lung still don't have all clear from my doc but up among the living again. I didn't get a chance to do a comparison against the stock limbs for sure but I believe the difference was at least 10fps and smoother and like you noted more preload on the limbs. I also think they are quieter. Thanks again Bob.


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[Scooter]

"This place is having a most profound effect upon my financial status"


Boy that's the truth. I just ordered my third warf riser from Bob. Just ordered some fatboy shafts for a 3D warf bow I'm going to set up and am putting the finishing touches on a FITA rig. Yesh! Oh yeah and I'm looking for another set of carbon limbs. Good thing my wife's cool with my archery habits.

[James Wrenn]

Scooter ain't that the truth! :) I just sent a riser to Bob to be converted and bought another set of limbs for it.To make matters worse they keep posting picture of that new bow that DAS designed! :sbrug:

[DAS]

If you look at the draw / force curve on all the better FITA limbs you see a big hump at the start of the draw, then it straightens out. The first 1/2 of the draw you are gaining 4 to 5 pounds per inch, then it drops to 2 pounds per inch all the way through full draw. It's almost like rolling over a soft compound, and the speeds generated show it. I have software that can calculate projected IBO speeds based on measurements taken at lower poundages. I've tested the model and found it to be accurate to about +/- 3 fps. All of these high end FITA / DAS / Warf hybrids are running right with the soft or "easy draw" compounds. I've heard Bob say that the bows he builds are faster than the compounds they came from and it is true. The best run that I have made on my bow registered IBO 273 fps!!

As for addictions and money, holy cow! Since I found this site, everything I own except my dogs and house are for sale to pay for all of this. I'd be better off hooked on heroin. Bob Gordan is the Pablo Escobar of Tradtalk!

[Scooter]

James,

Don't even get me thinking about that bow. I already made the mistake of PMing DAS for info on it. I just need to keep repeating to myself "I don't need another bow. I don't need another bow."

[DAS]

Scooter,
No one NEEDS another bow! :) :shooting: :)

Roby, Shoot me a PM about the camo, I'd be glad to help. You'll have the ultimate sleeper Gamemaster since it will look box stock. It will be hilarious if you get to shoot next to another Gamemaster! I may be wrong, but I'll guess that you gained more than 10 fps with the switch. You should put the old limbs back on and compare them!

None of the compound manufacturers want anyone to know that recurves are this fast. Why else would Hoyt build the GM with low end limbs and then change the hardware to prevent upgrades??

Hey, I'm glad you're doing better! I didn't even know you were sick. Must have been the water! :)

[Lane Puckett]

Scooter,
No one NEEDS another bow! :) :shooting: :)

Roby, Shoot me a PM about the camo, I'd be glad to help. You'll have the ultimate sleeper Gamemaster since it will look box stock. It will be hilarious if you get to shoot next to another Gamemaster! I may be wrong, but I'll guess that you gained more than 10 fps with the switch. You should put the old limbs back on and compare them!

None of the compound manufacturers want anyone to know that recurves are this fast. Why else would Hoyt build the GM with low end limbs and then change the hardware to prevent upgrades??

Hey, I'm glad you're doing better! I didn't even know you were sick. Must have been the water! :)

DAS I think almost all of the metal handle hunting recurves offered for sale are the low end limbs. The exception might be the Sky Conquest in camo. But when I look back at the ones I've researched they all were the bottom end limbs. I guess the manufactures feel they are mainly purchased by the bow fishing crowd and are looking first at price?

You have to admit that putting $400 limbs onto a riser cost of, what at least $200 limits the number of folks interested in the bow. I want to say it was GT but I've read his post on another site regarding this. His comment if I recall correctly was the decision came down to noise. The ILF FITA limb connection historically were not as quiet as the solid limb socket. Folks are already complaining that the replacement limbs are expensive. Still you have to feel that Hoyt will begin offering the higher end limbs for this riser soon.

If I think about this more, putting ILF sockets on the riser would then cause the riser cost to equal their target risers from a development and manufacturing standpoint. Bottom end FITA rigs (Hoyt) are $600 with non-carbon limbs. Just the risers are or more $400. I don't think you can count the Gold Medalist riser cost at $170 because they got their development costs out of it a long time ago.

The limb alignment post on the Gamemaster sure is a smart simple yet functional arrangement. Cheap to manufacture.

$400 for the bow with current limbs

Imagine with G3's?
$630 for the bow with high end limbs (Edge limbs $219 and G3's $449 for a difference of $230)

$400 and it seems they can't keep up with demand which is what I've heard.

At $630 is there a market for the hunting crowd? Probably limited. I bet Hoyt will test the market this year, but that is just a wild guess.

[thisbucks4u]

Hey Roby, Looks real nice!!
Dont forget to try those limbs out on a different riser. Youll be amazed at what a difference that "tec" design does for those bows. Again, Congratulations.

[DAS]

Lane,
I'm sure that keeping the bow affordable is a big concern, but is there any harm in giving people options? I think a lot of guys would at least opt for a mid level limb. I agree that the ILF limb attachment is an expensive item with drawbacks for hunters, but they could easily just offer the limbs as a bolt-on.

It's just my opinion, and I may be totally off base here, ; but I think it is driven by the idea that a compound sale brings in a lot more profit. It's not just the profit on the bow but on all the dodads that get added on. What can you sell a typical trad bow guy with his new bow? Maybe a $10 stick on rest and a spare string. On a compound it's a stabilizer ($50), fancy site ($125), fancy fall away rest ($65), peep sight, string loops, releases, and the list goes on. I have to think that figures into their accounting.

[Cato]

Scooter,

You do need another bow, you do need another bow, you do need another bow........

I always like to be an encourager when I can. :)

[Cueball]

I am not sure of why they don't offer better limbs but let me tell you it made a huge difference it the overall bow. Speed, noise, smoothness of draw.

Cost is the best part $325 for the new G.M.
300 for the new W/W focus carbon limbs
sold the stock limbs for $175

That puts my cost on this setup at $450.00 I don't think you could get a better bow for that kind of money unless you let Bob set you up with a Warfer. That is the real beauty here for $450 I have a bow that can shoot with anything outhere and is a sweet 62 inch hunting bow.

DAS I think the big draw to your bows is going to be the performance but also the only way I know a guy can get in a bow that is shorter than 62'.

Mike, are you saying that you think the tech riser makes a big difference for the good?



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[Lane Puckett]

I am not sure of why they don't offer better limbs but let me tell you it made a huge difference it the overall bow. Speed, noise, smoothness of draw.
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DAS I think the big draw to your bows is going to be the performance but also the only way I know a guy can get in a bow that is shorter than 62'.


When the cat gets further out of the bag on the limb difference they will have to be getting more inquiries around this request. I'm guessing they will in fact fill that demand.

DAS's bow is a VERY nice setup. I also think you hit it right by pointing out the length aspect coupled with performance and the short bow fitting a big interest group of hunters. It would be interesting to me to read up on what the trade offs are vs. a long, and longer riser.
DAS Kinetic is I think 17" riser
warf risers are around 20"
FITA rig is in the 23" to 25"

DAS nope no harm at all in giving folks options, you and I are on the same page on this. I'm not trying to say otherwise and I agree with you fully that higher end limbs should be an option. I just think the GM hit the market a bit harder with greater acceptance than they expected. Now is the time for Hoyt to offer up the mid and upper end limb options. Maybe at first without camo and just supply camo limb socks. The stock GM limbs on my bow are already faster and shoot better than my big buck custom wood handle bow. Still haven't switched them over for the Winacts. I'll see if I can't get to that this weekend.

Lane

[Wingman]

[QUOTE=DAS Kinetic]If you look at the draw / force curve on all the better FITA limbs you see a big hump at the start of the draw, then it straightens out. The first 1/2 of the draw you are gaining 4 to 5 pounds per inch, then it drops to 2 pounds per inch all the way through full draw. QUOTE]

DAS, do you not see this same hump on any reasonable well designed recurve limb? Seems like it should be the result of the variable leverage afforded by the limb's recurve with relatively little influence from other factors like lighter materials. I just picked up one of the Digital Rapala fishing scales from the local Bass-Pro (on sell for $10!), so hopefully I'll be able to look at the draw force curve on my Samick Mizar limbs (entry level FITA)

Best regards,

Ken G.

[Stick'em]

Nice setup! Now the only question is when will you be shipping those limbs to me! :) :) :)

[Cueball]

Who is sending you some limbs?



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[ROD JENKINS]

Cueball.... I bought a Gamemaster, last Sep. and after a few shots, felt the low grade limbs were the only thing holding the bow back...I was gonna adapt a better limb set for the riser, but someone got to wanting the bow more than I did " :)