Working with a Broken Record

[BLACK WOLF]

I have found that when dealing with a broken record there are certain songs that skip and repeat themselves, which have become damaged and are just about worthless, but than there are other songs on the record that bring a joyfull noise.

The record is still worth something and doesn't need to be disguarded or thrown out.

We all need to remember or realize that the song has been damaged but when it was in it's original state, it also brought a joyful noise.

Don't become a broken record and if you are dealing with one, try to fix it and when you realize it can't be fixed...move on to the next song.

If someone wants to hear the original song before it was scratched, they will respond and make a request.

You can tell, who the people are who really want to hear the original song.

Agape,

Ray ;)

[Bill McNeal]

***I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.***

The sound od Scripture never dulls the ears of those made to hear Truth.

Shalom!

[Bill McNeal]

***For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.***

Shalom!

[Bill McNeal]

***And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:***

Shalom!

[BLACK WOLF]

A broken record doesn't know it is broken, but to those who are listening, it is as plain as day.

Agape,

Ray ;)

[Bill McNeal]

***Teach me thy way, O LORD, and lead me in a plain path, because of mine enemies.

Deliver me not over unto the will of mine enemies: for false witnesses are risen up against me, and such as breathe out cruelty.

I had fainted, unless I had believed to see the goodness of the LORD in the land of the living.***

[WildmanSC]

Someone forgot to post a very important portion of 2 Tim 4:6 "...and the time of my departure is at hand."

And the people said... :amen: :amen: :amen: :amen:

Bill Lamb

[Bill McNeal]

Someone forgot to post a very important portion of 2 Tim 4:6 "...and the time of my departure is at hand."

And the people said... :amen: :amen: :amen: :amen:

Bill Lamb

Oh Bill, verses 1-5 of 2nd Timothy are not Pauls farewell speach, but rather a charge giving to Timothy, to give to the saints Bill. Those verses are for all men who are Called to the True Gospel .

Shalom!

[WildmanSC]

Bill,

You totally missed the point of the post. Read it again and think in a bit more lighthearted terms. :) :lol: :rolleyes:

Bill Lamb

[BLACK WOLF]

He most certainly did.

Agape,

Ray ;)

[Bill McNeal]

He most certainly did.

Agape,

Ray ;)


Sorry Ray, but as much as you would like me to depart, I have plans on sticking around. I kinda feel loved around here :)

Shalom!

[BLACK WOLF]

Sorry Bill, ya still don't get it. I don't want you to depart. I never said I wanted that.

Pay attention to my words and maybe you will begin to see the truth.

"still worth something and doesn't need to be disguarded or thrown out"

Open your heart Bill...I'm not out to get you.

Agape,

Ray

[Bill McNeal]

Hey Ray, Scripture tells us Jesus opens hearts of men. Why do you tell people to open them?

Also, I never said you were ouit to get me. I just think you are frustrated because you can't refute my teaching, so you just start threads incinuating things about me. Personally I think that is a poor example for a member to set, especially a monitor. I offered you my home phone # to call if you felt the need to incinuate such things. I really feel that if you are unwilling to do this privately, you should not do it publicly, but those are just my principles.

Shalom

[BLACK WOLF]

Bill,

Incinuate??? I have been nothing but straight forward and to the point both privately and publically with you. You really do need to quit acting like a martyr.

This thread was in response to the plea people have been making to you to be more loving and how they should view situations that arise simular to the one's you have been creating.

Since a few of us haven't been quite getting it, I thought this approach might help.

Agape,

Ray ;)

[BLACK WOLF]

Bill,

Believe it or not...you are responsible for your choices and one of them can be to open your heart. It's your God given choice. Take it or leave it.

Agape,

Ray ;)

[Bill McNeal]

"""you are responsible for your choices and one of them can be to open your heart."""


Could you provide a Scripture that says that men open their own hearts?, or is that simply your opinion?

Shalom!

[Bill McNeal]

Here is some Scripture that speaks of God opening hearts...............




*** And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul***


***But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.***

***He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.***

***Thou hast put gladness in my heart, more than in the time that their corn and their wine increased***

***LORD, thou hast heard the desire of the humble: thou wilt prepare their heart, thou wilt cause thine ear to hear:***

***Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the LORD.***

***Teach me thy way, O LORD; I will walk in thy truth: unite my heart to fear thy name.***

Shalom!

[BLACK WOLF]

Bill,

I agree and have never even implied God can't open a man's heart.

I'm in between client's at the moment and don't have time to respond as I would like.

Who did you choose to be your wife?

Did you choose to open your heart to her?

Agape,

Ray ;)

[Cueball]

Bill, there is no rule here that provides that every person must back up every thought they have with scripture. We want this forum to be open to people to bring their thoughts and not be a trained theologian. You are creating an enviroment that the only persons that will respond have to have as much spare time in the day to look up scripture as you. Unfortunate for most of us this just can't happen we are employed with families and this is a place to come and hear different thoughts and share our convictions and then go and take them into our prayer time and let god and his spirit speak to us. I really hope this site doesn't become a place that I have to spend a hour preparing and an hour of homework afterword just to speak. You really need to step back and examine your actions here.



..........................................Roby.... ........................................

[Bill McNeal]

Roby, you are totally correct. There are no rules whatsoever that dictate that a man must answer questions of Faith on this forum with the support of Scripture. However it is my belief that that my comments will be supported by Scripture.

I am not a theologian, professional preacher, or hired pastor. I work at my marriage, minister, run a contracting business, tend to my home, and land, and shoot bows almost daily. I do not think it requires alot of time to allow the Lord to lead our lives. Actually, if we can learn to surrender the religous stuff that bogs us down, we'll see that the Word of God will fill us full, and allow us to be able to provide Spiritual based responces, with minimal time investment.

However, you are free to do as you please. I will not ask you to change your actions here, because they do not bother, or effect me, my marriage, my ministry, my business, and my relationship with God. All I ask is that you afford me the same consideration, and quit trying to mold me into what "Roby" thinks I should be.

Shalom!

[Bill McNeal]

Bill,

Incinuate??? I have been nothing but straight forward and to the point both privately and publically with you. You really do need to quit acting like a martyr.

This thread was in response to the plea people have been making to you to be more loving and how they should view situations that arise simular to the one's you have been creating.

Since a few of us haven't been quite getting it, I thought this approach might help.

Agape,

Ray ;)

Excuse me Ray, but straight forward???. I asked you in private to call me on the phone to address our issues, and you came up with the excuse that you feared for the safety of your family by talking to me on the phone. :sbrug: Sorry, but I consider that just a cop out, and a roque for hiding your real intent. You 'fear for your family " by talking to me, but you have no fear starting threads about me???? :sbrug:

If you truely understood "Agape" Ray, you would not start threads calling other Christians "broken records". If you understood "Agape" Ray, you would be willing to speak to me in private. Sadly Ray, that is not your concern. I'll leave it like this with you. Either call me, and express the "Agape" you claim to have, or simply stop starting threads about me. If you are unwilling to speak with me on the phone, then why speak with me here? Why create threads about someone you refuse to confront in private? :sbrug:

I didn't ask you to start this thread. You did that Ray, after you said you had nothing to speak to me about on the phone. Could it be that you require an audience Ray?

Anyway, in light of Robs request, I will simply say this. Either address me within the forum rules, or don't address me at all. If you feel compelled to start a thread about me, do as Rob suggested, and just hit ignore button, because if this continues, I will place you on ignore because I will not let you hinder my use of this forum any longer. I don't want to do that, but since you refuse to confront me in private, I see little use in responding to your public inuendo.

I hope you do the former

Shalom!

[Esquire]

Bill,

I once asked you to engage with me privately. We had traded scriptures and theology until I felt that the argument had reached the point of diminishing returns. You categorically refused to talk with me in private. Now you are publically berating others for not wanting to talk with you in private. That hardly seems fair.

You really can't have your cake, and eat it too. I won't expect you to play nice (although I wish you would), but I will ask you to play fair.

The thread was "How do you know that you're saved?"

Esquire:

If you think it would be profitable to continue this discussion via private messages, I am open to that, as time allows. I believe we can involve multiple parties. Some here may be interested in joining such a study. With all respect, I think that the usefulness of this public discussion has reached a point of diminishing returns.

McNeal:

Mike . . . if you have no desire to publicly rebuke me with Scripture, then I see little purpose to engage you privately. Your accusations were made publicly, and it is there they should be supported.

[BLACK WOLF]

Bill,

Yes, I am concerned for my family in reguards to sharing private home information through a caller ID with someone, who is judgmental, apears angry, appears to have a messiah complex and believes God is controling all of his choices. You take no responsibilty for your choices and that really does concern me.

Like I've also shared with you...there are people, who attend church and/or claim to be very Godly people, who commit terrible crimes.

I'm not saying you are one of those types of people. I'm just saying I don't know you except from our exchanges through this forum and others over the years.

What good do you really think it would do to talk by phone when we get NO WHERE here...past or present?

I'm sorry...but I'm going to have to trust my gut and the wisdom God is sharing with me concerning you and this situation.

This will be my last response to you publically concerning this specific thread. If you want to continue, we can do it by means of PM.

You can believe it or not, but I do love you Bill....otherwize I would have stopped praying for you a long time ago. I just don't trust you.

One more thing to add...this thread was not started to mock you but to maybe help you and/or others to see things in a different light.

Agape,

Ray ;)

[Bill McNeal]

Ray you said

"""Yes, I am concerned for my family in reguards to sharing private home information through a caller ID with someone, who is judgmental, apears angry, appears to have a messiah complex and believes God is controling all of his choices. You take no responsibilty for your choices and that really does concern me."""

sorry Ray, your excuse is weak, and shameful. I have spoken with , and met many people from internet archery forums. I have spoken with Rob Williams. I purchased a Howard Hill bow from him. He and I have a common brother in Christ named Mike Fedora, who is like family to me. Perhaps one of my best friends from the internet is the President of Benefit 4 Kids, Steve Pray. He and his wife April are very close friends of my family. We have hunted together, spent time on vacations together, and done much towards the charity of children.

I have literally met, and hunted with dozens of people from the bowsite, and tradgang. Terry Green, the founder of "tradgang" owns three of my osage bows. Gifts given to him when he stayed with me to hunt back in the late 90's. He got his first traditional shot at a whitetail from on of my farms. So please spare me your "I'm afraid arguement". The only thing you are afraid of is actually being able to support your own doctrine with your own voice. Plain, and simple.

You said

"""Like I've also shared with you...there are people, who attend church and/or claim to be very Godly people, who commit terrible crimes."""

A pathetic, and shameful excuse if I have ever heard one.

"""I'm not saying you are one of those types of people. I'm just saying I don't know you except from our exchanges through this forum and others over the years."""

I know you don't really think I am. You just are incinuating that I am because that is the best excuse you can come up with to try and save face.

""""What good do you really think it would do to talk by phone when we get NO WHERE here...past or present?"""

It's funny how you feel that way about a phone call, yet you continue to start threads about me, and direct posts about me. You see Ray, you use this forum to promote the gospel of Ray. Here in it's confines you can control things. In a private phone chat you are unable to hide your Spiritual immaturity.

You said........

"""I'm sorry...but I'm going to have to trust my gut and the wisdom God is sharing with me concerning you and this situation."""

Right, but not enough to stop your sniping, and starting of threads.



You said.........

"""You can believe it or not, but I do love you Bill....otherwize I would have stopped praying for you a long time ago. I just don't trust you."""

Then why not call me and say that Ray. It's not that you don't trust me, its just that my teaching threatens you. It exposes your immaturity and your pride is too great to risk having that exposed. Thats all it is Ray. Thats all it is.

Shalom!