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Elk Chaser
01-06-2006, 07:16 AM
What broadheads are best with Traditional bows shooting at 170 to 200 FPS??? :shooting:
preferably 125 gr or larger :help:
Esquire
01-06-2006, 07:41 AM
I'm very happy with my magnus stingers - 2 blade. I have not enough different ones to have any idea about the "best."
I bought mine for the warranty and based on the feedback I'd heard. They fly great and do the job on deer as advertised!
Braden
01-06-2006, 08:43 AM
I have had good success with Stinger 125 both 2 and 4 blade; none of the deer went 100 yards. I have had sparse bloodtrails, but some of that can be attributed to shot placement. They do fly well. But I am also interested in checking out the new Snuffer SS that are coming out.
Passthru
01-06-2006, 09:15 AM
For a big critter such as an elk, I'd say any good 2 blade cut on impact head.
Stos would be a good choice
This is a discussion that can go on forever. But it never hurts to ask what others like, and are doing.
Generally, I'd say go for a cut on impact head, ie one that is sharp to the tip. Past that it may get down to personal preference. I like some kind of bleeder blades, or a three blade head. I've used Wensel Woodsmen with good luck. Also the Magnus Stingers as mentioned above. There are lots of options out there. The Phantom is another pretty good choice.
The three blade vs two bade discussion seems to be a endless debate. I've been told that you have a better chance at recovery with a three blade if gut shot, and my experience has been I get a better blood trail. But the you may give up some penetration, especially if you hit something hard, like the shoulder blade.
One factor that is important for me is durability. At the price of these things, I like a head that won't self destruct after use.
I'm sure others will offer some good tips.
Cato
Lambow
01-06-2006, 03:21 PM
The best broadhead for me for the last 12 years has been the Snuffer, but this year i used Wensel Woodsmans with the same results. I tried many diffrent brands of 2 blade heads for 10 years prior, and for most kills, the blood trail was longer, with less blood on the ground. The 2 blade i liked the best was the Simmons Interceptor.
The only problem with my whole set up this year, was the 40 grn. alu. broadhead adaptor i had to use with the glue on WW's. With about every shot i made, the adaptor would be bent. I'm not going through that next season, so i am now thinking of what kind of a screw in head i want to use.
I like the quality of the 4 Blade Stinger, but the bleeder looks a bit too small for my likeing. The vented, Mag 1's bleeder looks bigger, so i would prefer it.
Or, i might just stay with the Snuffer, in a screw in.
I've never used a 2 bade with bleeder, and i know i can get a 2 blade sharper than a 3, on account of the steeper angle. But, i can get a 3 blade to shave hair, and it's put many deer on the ground for me.
Lambow
Lambow,
I had the exact same problem with the WW, and got tired of re-mounting and spinning again after every shot.
The Razorcap might be an option. I killed a doe this year with one. The ferule bent, but is replacable. Still, not really durable enough for me.
I did not like the smaller bleeder blades in the Stinger. Just my personal thing.
I think I saw in 3 Rivers where the WW is now available in a screw in.
My head of choice right now is the G5 Montech. It's length to width is not what I'd like, but I've gotten excellent blood trails, and they are virtually indestructible.
Just like bows; so many choices.
Cato
elkdreamer
01-06-2006, 03:45 PM
elk chaser.......presume that you have checked out the "broadhead" thread couple threads down on this forum..........and not to go off again like a broken record.......i've got to cast my vote for the simmons interceptor as the best one out there.......two....three.....four......blade...... ..and i've killed game with the old bear, magnus 1's and 11's single and four blade, stos, journeyman, eskimos, deltas and even managed to kill a couple with the wensel woodsman and no need for me repeat again what i think about them. none that i have mentioned measure up to a sharp simmons interceptor........i shooting the 165's and the vented 150's.........i'm shooting them on beman classic 400's....with 4 inch banana's set 60/120......they weigh in about 513 gr and fly absolutely true.......you really have to shoot something with one of these to make a believer out of yourself.........bloodtrails as good as it's going to get.......pass throughs are a given......and really......they just unzip anything you put them in...........but like cato said...........this is just one mans personal journey and the place he has ended up ...........elkdreamer
Lambow
01-06-2006, 08:15 PM
Cato,
I'll have to go to the 3 Rivers site & check it out. There's really not much diffrence to me between the Snuffer & the WW. They both make a nice hole on both sides, and leak alot of blood.
I was at the pro shop the other day, and the owner showed me an arrow with a broadhead on it that had struck another broadhead that was in the target. The head that was struck, was a Zwickey Delta. It was ripped from ferel to allmost the point. Looked like a can opener had worked on it.
The head that hit it was a Montech!!! The point was still needle sharp,and one of the blades just had a few tiny nicks in it.
You're right... there are many choices.
Elkdreamer,
If i had to go back to a 2 blade. It would be the Simmons Interceptor. It is a great head. Alot of folks have had some trouble sharpening them. The problem is, they're useing too big of a file on that concave edge. I used a 4" file, and it did a good job.
Lambow
BowDonkey
01-07-2006, 04:31 AM
Is there a reason you Simmons users like the Interceptor over the Landshark?
elkdreamer
01-07-2006, 05:26 AM
bowdonkey......i personaly just like the design and feel that there just might.....be a slight mechanical advantage lever wise with the length of the interceptor over tiger shark in penetation.......[that's just probably mindless bs in my brain looking for the why].......two holes equal as good as your going to get and both will do that. the 150 and 165 interceptors come in with the way i make up my shafts and put me where i want to be weight wise....the vented heads do not make any noise in flight.........some guys have posted that the amount of steel in front of the ferrule on the interceptors have caused them to bend on impact with a rock....etc. I've never had one bend on me and have a couple of interceptors in my bow quiver that have done in a great number of deer and they're just as good as new..........elkdreamer
BLACK WOLF
01-07-2006, 08:38 AM
I'm still looking.
Here are some of my experiences with recurves, broadheads and arrows since switching from a compound.
Whitetail - 69lbs. Widow, 31" 640g. 2419 Eastons, 4 blade Muzzy, 15 yrds. shot = PASSTHROUGH
Whitetail - 69lbs. Widow, 31" 640g. 2419 Eastons, 2 blade Interceptor, 10 yrds. running shot = PASSTHROUGH TO THE FLETCHING
Whitetail - 69lbs. Widow, 31" 640g. 2419 Eastons, 2 blade Magnus, 25 yrds. shot = PASSTHROUGH
ELK - 69lbs. Widow, 31" 640g. 2419 Eastons, 4 blade Muzzy, 15 yrds. shot = HIT THE SHOULDER BLADE arrow stayed stuck in the shoulder even after running 300+ yrds.
Mule Deer - 69lbs. Widow, 31" 640g. 2419 Eastons, 2 blade Interceptor, 35 yrds. shot = HIT THE SHOULDER BLADE arrow had blood 4" to 5" up the arrow and fell out.
ELK - 69lbs. Widow, 31" 640g. 2419 Eastons, 2 blade Ribtek, 15 yrds. shot = PASSTHROUGH TO THE FLETCHING fell out the opposite side as the elk ran away.
ELK - 69lbs. Widow, 31" 640g. 2419 Eastons, 3 blade Woodsman, 10 yrds. shot = ABOUT 26" frontal shot.
ELK - 69lbs. Widow, 31" 720 g. Grizzly Stik Safari, G5 Shkote with poor bleeder type blades, 15 yrds. shot = 18" INTO THE HEART.
ELK - 62lbs. Widow, 31" 515g. Eaton Axis, 2 blade STOS, 20 yrds. shot = COMPLETE PASSTHROUGH THROUGH THE HEART AND OUT THE OTHERSIDE the arrow barried in the grass on the otherside.
Not enough experience to come to a difinitive answer yet...BUT I was VERY IMPRESSED with the STOS so far.
I like to compete in 3D with my hunting set-up so I like screw in field points without adapters that weigh the same as my broadhead choice.
I'm thinking about trying the Interceptor with the Easton Axis arrows since it is such a cool looking head that performed well with the thicker Easton arrows when I hunted whitetail...but I can't find 190g. field points without using adapters.
IMO...2 blade broadheads on a well tuned skinny carbon at about 8g./lbs. or more are definitely the way to go if you want to start pursueing ultimate penetration.
Ray ;)
elkdreamer
01-07-2006, 11:36 AM
black wolf.....3 rivers archery is showing converta field pts at 200 gr....... 10 over i know......but.........that might not be a big thing........they are screw in........elkdreamer
bowhunter-db
01-07-2006, 11:49 AM
I've Shot Deer With Almost Every Head Out There. I've Worked Really Hard At Learning How To Sharpen Them Good Enough To Pass My Test. I Was Never Quite Satisfied With My Sharpening Job, But They Always Worked. Then In 01 Or 02 Elkdreamer And I Headed To Idaho For An Elk Hunt. We Stopped In Cabela's In Nebraska And They Had A Special On Steel Force Broad Heads. I Bought A Couple Of Packs And The Rest Is History. 20+ Deer Later And Only One Lost Since I Started Using Them. Send Them Back After The Season And They Resharpen Them To A Razor Edge For You. What Could Be Better.
Dennis
BLACK WOLF
01-07-2006, 11:59 AM
elkdreamer,
SaaaaWeeeeet!!!! Thanks...ya just found what I was looking for!
Ray ;)
elkdreamer
01-07-2006, 03:39 PM
black wolf......hang on.....just checked simmons webb sight.....they have 190 screwin field pts...........things are looking up.......elkdreamer
www.simmonssharks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SimmonsSharks.com&Product_Code=SB-76
Bill Carlsen
01-07-2006, 04:38 PM
Bob Morrison has scew in field points up to 250 grains. They are the EZE Pull heads and work great on Axis shafts. :)
BLACK WOLF
01-07-2006, 05:21 PM
You guys are AWESOME ;)
Thanks!!!
Ray ;)
Ray,
That 62# "widow" sounds like a sweet bow!;)
TradArcher
01-08-2006, 06:16 AM
I favor (though they're not cheap) the Silver Flames. No broadhead commercially available comes sharper...none! They're available in a variety of weights to 200gr or so and extremely strong.
Tom
BLACK WOLF
01-08-2006, 10:51 AM
David,
LOL...I meant DAS...LOL...but you obviously knew that ;) I just got so use to writing Widow that I spaced changing it on the last one ;)
By the way...I love the paint job you did on those limbs...and the bow is totally quiet with those new strings...and the new limb bolt is awesome too!
Ray ;)
James Wrenn
01-08-2006, 11:12 AM
Well I have shot deer with about all the heads you fellows have named. :) They all did a good job.
I have not had the trouble with adapters that many of you have.I think the only time I have bent one was on a spine hit where the deer did a lot of dancing on the arrow and one time when an arrow hung in the offside shoulder socket and the deer ran banging it against trees.Maybe because I shoot lighter weight bows is the reason they hold up for me. :sbrug:
I have simple narrowed it down to the stos for easy sharpening in the feild and simmons for that huge cut it makes.I would love to see these made in a stainless screw-in version but untill then the adapters are ok with me.Simmons has the new stainless screw-in but they cut it down to a small 1 1/4 size head which blew it for me.I used the stingers this year and they worked fine but are a little small for my liking.They is not a perfect head out there but all seem to be of good quality and will do the job.Pick one that is easy to sharpen and put it in the right place. :)
Bill Curlis
01-08-2006, 12:00 PM
The Stingers are a very good head.
Bill Carlsen
01-14-2006, 06:30 AM
If STOS would make a head with a bleeder blade, that, to me, would make all my other heads obsolete. :2cents: :)
W.Tim
01-16-2006, 06:37 PM
i shoot wensel woodsman and snuffers for deer and hogs in my neck of the woods :shooting: ..W.Tim
Howattman54
01-21-2006, 08:50 AM
I started using Snuffers back in 1981 (back when the BIG Snuffers were all you could get!), and I've used one of the various incarnations of the Snuffer (which includes the Wensel Woodsman) ever since. For the past couple seasons, I've used 145 grain Snuffers primarily, and the Woodsman if I take one of my lighter bows to the field. No complaints with either......
Howattman
SubconsciousShooter
01-22-2006, 06:46 PM
Best broadhead in my opinion, would be a 3 to 1 ratio single blade head. Stainless steel blade. 1 to 1 and an eighth inch cutting diameter. Perfect arrow flight. And easy to sharpen and hold an edge. And, get this, the final weight of the entire head should be 100 to 110 grains for my purposes.
Is there one out there like this?
I think that maybe the heads from Steel head, would be pretty close. They have a hundred grain, stainless steel, arrow head, that is close to being 3 to 1 ratio, although fall short by a half inch or so.
Only thing about the steel heads, is that they are not simple in construction. They have a lot of locking parts, etc.
If you guys don't believe me about the 3 to 1 ratio, try one yourself. Howard Hill knew a thing or two. (He shot 3 to 1 ratio heads almost exclusively.) Also, the wensel woodsman (which many rave about) are 3 to 1 ratio heads.
Think about the cutting surfaces on the 3 to 1. Last year, I shot a 3 inch long broadhead by Madoc and even though it was a single blade head, it had 6 inches of cutting surface on the head. I am sure that the WW heads (Wensel Woodsman) have even more cutting surface.
Food for thought...if I am not raving about your favorite head (and I know that I am not, I apologize.) I still haven't found the perfect head, although I know that just about anything sharp, shot into the vital area, with enough penetration results in a dead deer.
BowDonkey
02-16-2006, 08:22 AM
WOW, just got a heck of a gift in the mail from ElkDreamer. He sent me 3 different Simmons broadheads to check out. Very efficient looking. They're much more impressive in person than looking at them in a picture. All are a bit heavier than what I'm set up for, but it'll give me something to experiment with this coming summer. Thanks, Elk.
TBHNTR
02-16-2006, 09:23 AM
I like Stingers... 125 4-blade. I think it takes the concept of the old Bear heads (chiseled point and breakaway bleeders) and puts it into a modern, accurate package... with better steel. Only broke one so far and that was my fault so I didn't send it in, (just didn't feel right about that), but their warrantee is superb.
I can't believe nobody has mentioned the 100 grain Spitfires. They are awesome and cut a heck of a hole. :) Also what about SteelForce? :highfive:
Lambow
02-18-2006, 03:20 PM
Spitfires? I've never heard of em Boho. I have heard of the steel force tho.
Lambow
Bill Carlsen
02-18-2006, 04:51 PM
that Spitfires were mechanical heads. If they are...well, I suppose I'll refrain from starting something. :)
I thought I would start something with that one. :p You'd prolly need a 80# trad bow to shoot them effectively. I got some steel forces pretty cheap awhile back. I haven't gotten to try them yet but hopefully a pig will step out in front of me soon. :)
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