Bare shaft tuning advice??

[kawil]

I was doin some bare shaft tunin today.
Shootin a CM Falcon 48 @ 28 with 29.25" 2016/125grn fld pnts.

The pics below show bare shafts low and to the right at 20 yards, but at 15 yards, they are grouping fairly close with the nock pointing up and to the left.

O.L. states that the most forgiving arrow is slightly weak and nock high. Is this what I'm looking at here, or do I need to bump up to a 145grn point?

Any advice is greatly appreciated!
k

20 yards
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/ledria/Archery/20yds-2016brshft_I.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/ledria/Archery/20yds-2016brshft_II.jpg
15 yards
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/ledria/Archery/15yds-2016brshft_I.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v506/ledria/Archery/15yds-2016brshft_II-.jpg

[Boho]

Did you take the tv out of the box first? :)

[thisbucks4u]

technically your shaft is too weak, and your nock is too high, but if they are hittin same as the fletched, you cant be too far off

[BowDonkey]

I hope you don't put those arrows in that plains quiver you built. :)

[Pinelander]

Your 20 yard pics show bare shafts impacting on the weak side, maybe a bit too much. If you were to use a 145 gr, the bare shaft would probably hit further to the right, as it would be weaker than using a 125 gr.

I'm not all that experienced with bare shaft tuning. I don't seem to pay much attention to orientation of shaft after impact, but rather WHERE it is impacting. Firstly, I make sure that I'm getting bullet-holes in paper tuning from 5-6 YARDS (not feet) and secondly, bare shafts are impacting very close to fletched and like you said... maybe just a bit weak. I believe the further distance out you get, the more difference in your fletched and bare will show.

For me, when it comes to hunting shafts, I'm mainly concerned about two things... very straight flight that I can verify by naked eye with bright fletching and impact is dead-on to where my field points are hitting.

Nice bow. :D

[kawil]

Yes Boho, TV is safe and sound in the livin room.

BowDonk....Plains quiver is down for maintenance right now...adding some more beadwork to it. I will be makin some purty woodies for it, once I get my butt over to Kustom King for some shafts.

Pinelander...Sorry, went the wrong way with the point. I guess I'd have to try 100 grain points on the 2016's.

Was thinkin of tryin 2018's. Plan to keep em 30-30.5 long, with a 125grn pnt. Although, that will put me up near 11 grns per lb of draw.

Thanx for the input folks! :cheers:

k

[Limbwalker]

Perfect.

Don't change a damn thing. Take my word for it...you can only screw it up from there.

The reason you want nock high (slightly) is for better fletching clearance, and the reason you want it showing slightly weak (impacting to the right) is because the unfletched shafts lack the weight of the feathers on the nock end, and will be dynamically weaker than the fletched shafts.

In a nutshell, what you have is a perfect setup for broadheads.

John.

[Desert Archer]

I'd listen to John. He knows what he's talkin' about. He shot two arrows this year during the hunting season and has two deer in the freezer. He did something else that was pretty impressive last year but I can't remember the details right now, just that it had somethin' to do with a well tuned bow (grinning smiley face goes here).

Dave

[kawil]

Thanx John and Dave.

I think I will continue to shoot this setup, as you suggest, as it seems to work well so far with fletched shafts.

Out to 15 yrds, I am seeing much improvement, with good flight (if I do my part). I am new to archery, so I learn alot everytime I shoot.

John, I've also learned much from your posts on here and LW, for the last 6 months that I have been hovering. I had a 4+ month wait on my bow, so I spent that time in research mode. Yours, as well as all the other experts out here are a great resource for a beginner. Again - Thanx

k