Warf Draw weight

[BowDonkey]

I'm thinking about Warfin a Blackbear Riser with 66" 50# Hoyt Epic limbs. Lancaster has them in their cyber catalog. I PM'ed the grandmaster himself and he said I would die of old age before I got the limbs. That aside, if I had the limbs what draw weight would they be at 28"? Do you know anything about this limb? I see the KAP has some Challenger Carbons at 46 or 48# , maybe this would be the way to go, are they that much better than the Hoyts? Just dreaming, kids are up now, better go see what Santa brought. Thanks.

[OZ in MT]

Warf himself could speak with more authority on this, Donk, but in case he doesn't show (Holiday) I would think they'd come in around 56. You could probably get 59-60# with a 1/16" aluminum shim at the end of the limb pockets.

[BowDonkey]

I've been PMing Bob about this and he said to also post and see what you guys have come up with. I think it's mostly to just get rid of me, because we've been dang near pen pals the last couple weeks. LOL!

[Bob Gordon]

Donk...The two ways to get 60 lbs out of them is to use a Proline riser or grow longer arms like I did. I think on the Bear riser they would make maybe 56-57 lbs with a little magic from me. Of course magic comes under another pay scale....lol...warf

[DAS]

Donk,

The Challengers are only available up to 44#. They used to sell them up to 46# but stopped. Hoyt is the only one still making limbs out to 50# unless you go the Border route. To hit mid 50's you would need limb pad angle of about 15 degrees like the Proline. I don't see a way to do that with a Bear, but Bob may have something up his sleeve:sbrug:

[BowDonkey]

Mid 50's is what I'm looking for. I'd like to stick with the Black Bear, just because I'm so comfortable with it. At the rate things are going, 60 lb.+ limbs are probably being designed right now by the big guys. Thanks for all the info guys.

[Ronin]

Bowdonkey, I had a similar idea as you and ran it past Bob as well. I have KAP Challenger carbon limbs on a Jennings riser that is just like the Black Bear riser. Das is right the max weight the KAP limbs are available in is 44# on a 25" riser. However KAP advertises them at up to 46#, but that is on a 23" riser. Confusing. I get about 52#@28" with these limbs tightened all the way down.

I figured that I should be able to get 58#@28" with a 50# pair of Hoyt limbs on the same riser (6 pounds heavier limbs). Bob thinks more like 55# out of my riser. No way to know for sure without plugging 50# limbs in and I haven't bought any limbs to test the theory. Bob also suggest to me that the Proline riser was the best way to get in the mid 50's to low 60's. because of the pocket angle he said I would get about 5# more out of the limbs. I have declined the idea of stretching my arm as they are long than the normal human being already :) .

[BowDonkey]

How would the carbon Kaps compare to the Hoyts speed wise? Can anyone make an educated guess? LOL! I mean are carbon limbs that much better than fiberglass/wood? I know, we discussed this all in the past, but I just gotta hear one more time. :)

[K31Scout]

Hey, I've been pen pals with Bob too! I have a Quarf coming and he has been great with all the rookie questions.

I like those Christmas morning posts, we have our priorities straight!!!LOL

Our northern Michigan weather is holding in the upper 30's; hope the quarf arrives before the -0F's get here!

Billy

[OZ in MT]

I have a couple of pairs of the better Hoyts, Donk, and one pair of the KAP carbons. I honestly can't tell any difference once they are on a WARF. All chrono out about the same (205-212 @ sub-7 gpp), and I expected the Hoyts to be smoother drawing but if they are you couldn't prove it by me.

[Bob Gordon]

I agree, the difference between the KAP's and top of the line mega buck fita limbs is very small once you put them on a down sized warf type riser as compared to a 25" fita riser. They still are smooth, fast and shoot well and it would take a crono to tell the difference in speed. "smoother thru the clicker" and have a softer feel" that they promote on the more expensive limbs doesn't mean diddly for the type archery we do, hunting, 3-D, back yard stuff. Just buy what your budget will allow and don't look back...warf

[OZ in MT]

Now that last line of WARF's is a philosophy to live by in any endeavor, IMO. Might just adopt that as my one resolution for the 2006 New Year. Have a happy...

[PDJ]

Bowdonkey, I recently got a Jennings riser from Bob and put medium(46lb) Winact limbs on it and it is drawing 54lbs@28-28.5". I put some 29" cheetahs thru the chrono and clocked 215fps. Smokin! I am working on some Beman ics's in the 400 range for hunting. I know you were looking a the short limbs but thought I'd give you this info anyway. Paul :2cents:

[BowDonkey]

Thanks guys. Oh boy, now I got to figure out a way to keep this hidden from the wife. :)

[Bob Gordon]

Donk...You have to tell here your building her a bow, then when it comes in to heavy you say, gosh honey, guess I will have to start all over again...Works for me, or did a long time ago but as my wife has the shopping gene she just goes for payback at Wally World...warf

[BowDonkey]

I'm going to beat this topic to death, but I'll ask anyway. The Hoyt's are offered in all 3 lengths. My draw is 27", maybe a little more. What would I be giving up between the shortest and longest as far as speed goes? Or should I just stick to the short limb?

[thisbucks4u]

Stick with the shorties, although dont be surprised if you draw length does grow a bit.

[BowDonkey]

Thanks for the replys you all. I've made my decision. Now to sell a bow or two, find a few roadkills, and shmooze the old lady.