Why no sights? [Archive] - TradTalk Forums

CarolinaBob

03-10-2005, 05:14 AM

I am amazed how many will not accept that they don't know how to shoot without some aiming device. They claim that they are traditional but if you can't hit the side of a barn why not put a sight or at least one sight pin on the bow. Back when I was a kid 60s many had sights on their recurves. Anyone who says they limit their shots to under 20 yds because that is their effective range is only fooling themselves.

Pinelander

03-10-2005, 05:43 AM

This should be an interesting topic... :)

Many barebow shooters are hunters only and won't shoot at deer much past 20 yards anyway. They've been successful at killing deer for many years within this range limitation that they have put upon themselves. I think many of them prefer to see the "whole picture" when making the shot, compared to placing a pin on the spot they're aiming at. And of course, by doing it the "instinctive" way accuracy seems to fall apart quickly at distances past 20 yards for the average barebow shooter.

There is no doubt that an "aiming device", no matter how that might be construed, will make an archer a better shot at ANY yardage.
:cheers:

Viper

03-10-2005, 06:26 AM

CB -

Has a lot to do with pre conceived notions. For someone who's never done it, the idea of aiming with out a sight is unfathomnable. Using a sight, and putting the thing on the thing, as with a known reference point is easier to grasp. The "instinctive" aiming thing, without consciuos reference points is a tough concept in our mechanized times. These same guys have no trouble reaching out to shake your hand or picking up a bottle of beer. The neurologic process is actually a lot closer to those things than to the usual throwing a ball analogy we normally use.

It's not the fact, it's the interpretation of the fact, that messes people up.

Viper out.

Torsten

03-10-2005, 07:04 AM

I am apperantly in here now. Hopefully you will enjoy me presence here and hopefully profit to have one active member more.

The first attempt to enter got lost before the systems woke up.

Happy hunting,

Torsten

CarolinaBob

03-10-2005, 07:12 AM

Yes Pinelander my point if you are dead on at 20 yds 5 out of 5 in the paper plate then yes they can shoot, at 20 yds. But there are those who think that they are elitest Traditional hunters and look down their noses at those that would use a sight pin, while they can't hit squat. These are the people who talk about "ethics". and shooting at long distances.

Viper

03-10-2005, 08:20 AM

Torsten -

Glad you made it over. This is a new URL, so, it's just getting populated. Some really great people here, you'll fit right in!

Viper out.

Cato

03-10-2005, 08:41 AM

Torsten, Good to have you on board. Hope you will stick around.

CB,

I remember back in the late 60's of a guy in my area who taped a match stick to his riser. The idea he had was to try to be able to hit what he was aiming at. Isn't that radical?

It is kind of an interesting notion that many seem to have, that somehow you are compromising traditional archery (what ever that is) if you use a sight.

I guess it boils down to the idea, "to each his own". But it is curious to me why some are so adverse to the idea.

Papabull

03-10-2005, 08:41 AM

We're VERY happy to have you as a member and I hope you enjoy the site as much as we enjoy having you as a comrade. You'll find that this is a place where you are welcome to think and speak freely with others who also think and speak freely. It creates a naturally friendly atmosphere of equality.

:cheers:

mjhall

03-10-2005, 09:51 AM

Viper- I wonder if at first it doesn't help to give my subconscious mind a chance to observe what success looks like before I turn the aiming responsibility over to it. All of us have been drinking from cups all of our lives--ever watch a baby do it? That's why they're usually sitting in a high chair on a linoleum floor--easier to clean up the mess, until their subconscious mind is up to the task. Just my .02
Mike

Spike

03-10-2005, 10:06 AM

I am shooting both with sights and barebow. With sights I can see the effects of my form and what size groups I am capable of as I know where the pin was when I released. Without sights there is always the question of was it form or just a bad "aim/picture" causing the undesired arrow impact. With sights I can shoot a recurve to 50 yds with repeatable accuracy if I do my part. Without sights I usually stick to under 25yds. I prefer to hunt without sights on a trad bow generally, but if I was in a situation having to shoot longer, then a sight would be on the bow. But then again I also still shoot compounds :sbrug: and hunt with them when I feel I need to. YMMV

DAS

03-10-2005, 10:11 AM

I agree with Cato. To each his own. Just because you choose a better (or different) component or technique doesn't mean you are not devoted to traditional archery does it?? Some things like compounds are so radical that they fundamentally change the shooting experience. I just can't think of compounds as traditional, but short of that????????????????????? Even the buckskin and coonskin guys are using high tech adhesives, dacron, and other very modern things. If you decide to draw a line in the sand, where do you draw it exactly? The guys that seem to have the most to say about it don't even agree. They all just draw the line a hair past where they fall!
I guess the bigger question is why some feel the need to be so divicive. As devoted archers we have much more in common with each other than with anyone else, regardless what equipment or techniques we employ. :sbrug:
I always have, and always will, use what works best for me.

Viper

03-10-2005, 10:19 AM

Mike -

Very few people hit target center the first time either, with a sight or without! The brain has a remarkable abilty to accumulate and interpret data quite accurately. The cerebellum then controls the muscle functions to achieve the desired result, like shaking hands or drinking from a cup. I can get most people, including lids to group fairly well at 10 yds in a fairly short time IF, there is sufficient muscle co-ordination. That usally means about 8 years of age, (sometimes less, some times more), for kids. With adults, it really depends if they'll listen, AND if they can relax behind the bow. You're analogy to the baby, falls in to the muscular / cerebullar function thing. They don't have the neuro muscular co-ordination as yet.

Viper out.

the other DWS

03-10-2005, 03:05 PM

I have had a gut feeling for a number of years that the advent and legalization of treestands has had a big unintended impact on archery. Once you are up a tree you tend to shoot more at closer (20yd and under shots) ranges where there are often fixed yardage markers. the subconscious range estimation and aiming skills are not needed and so on a general sportwide basis they have been allowed to atrophy for most bowhunters.
I would also hazard that the largest proportion of today "traditional bowhunters" have come from the ranks of compound shooters. They probaly never participated in pre-compound forms of archery and like new converts of most types, tend to be a bit fanatic in their rejection of the "old" JMHO

The Gray Fox

03-10-2005, 04:35 PM

This is great! I could never get logged in on the old site except as a guest. Anyway, I think this use of sight issue touches on a lot of characteristics of some who consider themselves traditional archers. I'm not talking about hunting skills of any type, since we know that for many good archers hunting isn't even a consideration for them, and that a really good woodsman who is not the greatest shot could nail a deer more often than a poor hunter who is a great shot.

The things I'm refering to are the usual; poor form, over-bowed, snap shooting, equipment mis-match, and total oblivion to such things in general. I guess the most obvious image I have is the shooter, who, even if he wanted to use a sight, couldn't draw and hold long enough to even get a sight picture and clean release.

I, too, remember match sticks and hat pins taped to risers, even long bows, in the late 50s and early 60s by archers trying to shoot more consistently on the old NFAA field round and in the hunting woods. I think the number of old Bear and Pearson bows found that have something like an old Merrill sight on it or a couple filled or unfilled holes in the riser just show that for archers trying to improve their shooting 30-50 years ago a sight was worth a try. But, I doubt if we'll find many of that vintage that were heavier that 40-50# draw weight.

I would think that for some folks, one of the new design, carbon-limbed bows with matched reasonably weighted carbon shafts in about 50# draw would be like a laser with one pin set at 20 yards or with a second at 30. Bracket a deer with the pins and it should be there. Hmmm, sounds like a Warfer to me.

James Wrenn

03-10-2005, 04:44 PM

Well I am too lazy for useing sights.If I used a pin I would hit more deer and use up too many tags.Then there is all that dragging and skinning.No thanks! Using the force is good enough for me. :p

Pinelander

03-10-2005, 06:36 PM

.... one of the new design, carbon-limbed bows with matched reasonably weighted carbon shafts in about 50# draw would be like a laser with one pin set at 20 yards or with a second at 30. Bracket a deer with the pins and it should be there. Hmmm, sounds like a Warfer to me.

uh-ohhhh.. ya got me pegged. ;)

James, you're too much!
I do the Dew, but usually not all over the screen. LMAO
:lol:

Hello Torsten, and welcome to the site. Enjoy....
:shooting:

mjhall

03-10-2005, 10:39 PM

Viper--you're right the baby/cup analogy was probably not too apt.
I gap shoot mostly because it made sense to me as a way to start out. I haven't used an actual sight primarily because, I started shooting a recurve a few months ago in order to simplify the experience compared to a compound. I felt it was as stated above important for me to be able initially to distinguish between physical and mental errors and using the arrow tip as a "sight" seemed like a way to sort it out. I would be thrilled if someday I could trust the aiming to my subconscious, but have trouble accepting that it would work at this juncture. I'm happy with my progress so far, but have a long way to go in both the physical and mental areas. :)

DWS --we all came from somewhere and are going somewhere. We are what we are. I think the important thing is to try to improve with what we have to work with.

Pinelander

03-10-2005, 11:22 PM

Bob - I know of what your speaking... there certainly does seem to be a blockage in the brain somewhere that says the only appropriate way to shoot a recurve/longbow is without sights and in some cases without a specific aiming method that can be pinned down, regardless if there might be a more accurate way to do it. I've heard this many times.... "If you're gonna use sights, why not just shoot a compound?" Funny thing is, around here I'll get that more from the compounders than the Trads. They just don't understand my love of "feeling" the poundage I'm drawing to loose the string and arrow with my very own fingers. :p

Interesting Mike... I switched over in the mid-80's, had no formal coaching, nor did I read books, videos, etc. Just started shooting barebow recurve. I found out very quickly that I could hit the spot at under 20 yards confidently. Also realized that most of my compound kills were under 20 yds. likewise. So the journey began. When I think about it today, it seems odd that I never did use gapping/point-on type of aiming, completely opposite of your approach. Guess that shows how different we all are when it comes to launching arrows doing it the "calssical" way... a varied group we are. :)

Torsten

03-11-2005, 02:54 AM

Hello you All,

I am very happy to find such an interesting forum and such a warm and nice reception.
I will do my best to provide ideas, comments and opinions and try to get the lay out interesting to read. Beware: occasionally my headlines might appear a little strange, but then I only try to weak up readers and new points of view.

One more point: ideas: there might be comming quite a few unconventional thoghts, certainly not all make sense, but take them as they are and hopefully have a good laugh once in a while.

This forum seems to be clean of this anti-hunter B.S. Great.

I once joined a German forum 3 weeks was more than enough.

The Finnish ones are boring and I am missing what I would call enthusiasm.

Is it allowed to put (clean) jokes here?

Torsten

03-11-2005, 03:41 AM

I think that there is a big benefit of the tradtional bow without sight: Speed.
I cannot imagine that you can focus, draw and relase as possible with a bow and use the sight for a quick shot.

On my rifle I use a sight as well and always wondered what was wrong because I needed so much time to get ready. OK there all kinds of red dot systems and I do not know how quickly the sights for bows can be used. The development seems to go to quicker and more ''instinctive'' solutions, thus supports this comment.

On the other hand shot gun hjunters do not use sights as well, here you are.

I also heard that many compound bow shooters actually shoot instrinctive and do not use sights when time is short.

Happy quick, full hits for all of you

Torsten

James Wrenn

03-11-2005, 04:06 AM

Really I switched to longbows because my eyesite got to the point I can not see sight pins.At that range I see several pins even if there is only one on the bow. :) I got tired of guessing which one was real. :)
Speed wise I could probably shoot faster with pins since I did it for many years before I switched.I do see a lot of guys shooting that would benefit from a single pin, but they seem to like how they are doing without them. Enjoyment should always be the main goal with any sport.jmo

Desert Archer

03-11-2005, 07:07 AM

I find it interesting that so many in "trad" archery seem to think the use of a sight is too slow for hunting, yet the vast majority of bowhunting is done with compounds and sights.

I come from the world of "practical pistol competition" where there is a concept known as a "flash sight picture". Proponents of that technique teach that the sight picture is the final, visual check that the proper alignment has been achieved. The eye can be trained to pick up the image of the sights, superimposed on the target, in a fraction of a second. When the varification is there the shot is executed.

I would think the same principle would certainly apply to using a sight on a hunting recurve (or longbow for that matter). With enough practice to have proper alignment the sight pin or ring would be the final visual check. When the eye picks up that image, the arrow is released. It doesn't have to be a slow or deliberate process. Just a learned/practiced one.

Since I have never shot with a bow sight I'm only speculating here but thought the principle of the flash sight picture might be interesting to you all.

Dave

Torsten

03-11-2005, 08:54 AM

I hope there would be a few fly fishers here.

I am one.

The way of 'aiming' at their accuracy seems to me very close to our thinking.

We do not have to worry down to the last feet until the fly hits just there.

And there is still that turn left in between. Shots or how you want it: throws/casts need to be measured emm precisely.

In many ways for my opinion we exhibit too much uncertaincy and unawareness about our shooting accuracy.

I really miss the chance to have the chance to discuss the matter with you personnally directly.

May I recommend to all of you who have not participared/watched fly fishing personally: have a look and find out. And they seem not to use any sights !?

Viper

03-11-2005, 09:38 AM

Gents -

Like anything else, we get all kinds. They range from the "you can't shoot 30 yards with that thing!" (I was shooting a Hoyt PM, wasn't sure about 30, but always used to work out to 80.) To "That's neet, I wish I could shoot that way". The first shows ingnorance, and seconds goes back to an earlier post, and is more disconcerting, as there are a lot of people who believe that: They can't do it. It's not can't it's won't.

One kid I was working with, was set up with a Genesis bow, sight and release. He was actually do very well with it. For a few months I kept telling him, I was going to pull the sight off his bow. Everytime I said that, he nearly turned white, and said, "no, I can't do that!". One day while his father was doing something to his sight, I coaxed him into a few shots, barebow. One high, one low, and then they started hitting the bull, repeatedly. See, he already knew how to shoot, and "aiming" is still the most over rated aspect of archery! Will he ever shoot without a sight again? Don't know, but he won't say "I can't", anymore.

Viper1 out.

The Gray Fox

03-11-2005, 01:08 PM

I have a question for you folks that do use a sight for hunting, where do you anchor? Going back to my college FITA shooting experience maaaany moons ago, I still use the under the chin, string touching tip of nose anchor when I shoot my GM. When I have used a sight hunting--I now shoot instinctive, not gap--I use the conventional corner of mouth anchor. This seems to introduce a bit of parallax into the picture and makes string alignment difficult to say the least. If I were to try it again for hunting with one or two pins what do you recommend?

van_fl

03-11-2005, 01:28 PM

Like DA I shot PPC for years. Also hunted with both hand guns and long guns. Never had any problems finding a sight picture quickly. Same with Bows. Just like shooting guns when shooting bows was taught to find my sight picture. So what if I use the tip of the arrow. I also start any new shooters out using sights then move them on to a bare bow IF they want to. Nothing wrong with using sights to make you a Accurate bow hunter. But after a length of time I believe at hunting ranges you will achieve the Accuracy needed to bring home your game. :2cents:

Viper

03-11-2005, 02:58 PM

Gray -

Never hunted with a sight. With the OR, as the sight was really a training device, I just used my normal corner on mouth/under the side of the jaw anchor. Only real problem is that you run out of sight bar for the longer distances. As I didn't need to go beyond 40 yds, that was never an issue.

Viper out.

bowshooter74

03-11-2005, 03:09 PM

hi guys, nice forums, i think alot of people dont realize using a pin on a recurve is not all dead nuts and easy, i just started with one and its a challenge within itself, its definately a challenge for your form. lol.

Spike

03-11-2005, 03:41 PM

Gray, I anchor on my jaw/chin with kisser button in corner of mouth and string touching my nose. 3 points of contact help keep everything aligned the same. I do not use a peep. Sort of olympic style but anchor is just a bit higher.

CarolinaBob

03-12-2005, 04:23 AM

Good post Spike, I think that you hit the key point, a good anchor point reference. I started this thread because I went to a "Trad" shoot a few weeks ago and was surprised how badly some shoot. At the warmup area some couldn't hit the bales at ranges further than 20 yds. Mainly because they don't have a fixed anchor point something that a sight teaches, after learning how to shoot with a sight and learn "sight picture" then one can learn how to shoot "instinctively"

David A.

09-18-2011, 03:08 AM

Sights can be pretty speedy, actually. Tournament archers tend to take their time but there's nothing to stop a bowhunter from being pretty quick.

DanaC

09-18-2011, 04:19 AM

I shot compounds for twenty years before switching to recurves in '97-'98. Always used pins but was never very good with them. Used a peep sight for a few months and it made a huge difference, *but* it cost me a shot on a deer in low light. Tossed it.

The problem then (and still, for many) was a lack of solid grounding in fundamentals. The peep was a substitute for a good solid repeatable anchor, something which I still work at.

And I'd like like to take this moment to publicly thank Tony aka Viper for repeatedly pounding that into my thick skull, in his on-line postings and his book. It is working, and I'm seeing improvement on targets. Domo, Sensei.

I've heard a lot of criticism of 'instinctive' archery that stems, I think, from people glossing over the need to develop good form, good fundamentals, before the 'magic' of picking a spot kicks in. It's not a substitute for good archery, it's a consequence of it.

CarolinaBob

09-18-2011, 06:22 AM

I've heard a lot of criticism of 'instinctive' archery that stems, I think, from people glossing over the need to develop good form, good fundamentals, before the 'magic' of picking a spot kicks in. It's not a substitute for good archery, it's a consequence of it. Thanks for bringing this back. Some of the trad police get on my nerves, least they forget that Mr.Jack Howard used a sight a Merrial SP? heartshot I believe.

Night Wing

09-18-2011, 06:25 AM

I'm going to add my two cents worth.

I'm strictly a bowhunter. I don't do formal target archery. With this said, I bowhunt with light poundage bows, limit myself to 20 yards and under shots and wait for my favorite broadside lung shot. Most of my shots for the last decade have been between 12-17 yards.

I "don't" aim at the whole deer. I pick a small spot on where the lungs would be and let loose the arrow at that spot on an animal's body.

I also don't use a sight. Why? Very simple. With a one pin (or more) sight, the bow has to be held vertically all the time when the shot is taken. If one cants their bow at a 2 o'clock position for the shot to be taken, the one pin (or more) sight is absolutely useless.

If you think I'm wrong in my comments, do your own experimentation. Take your one pin (or more) sight, aim at a target 20 yards away, cant your bow at a 2 o'clock position, use your pins and see if your arrow hits where the pin says where you aiming at.

DanaC

09-18-2011, 06:27 AM

The self-appointed 'trad police' are like mosquitos, if you apply a good repellent they're just an annoying little noise that can't touch ya'. ;-) And the repellent is out-shooting them.

NaturalFork

09-18-2011, 08:52 AM

I see nothing wrong with using a sight if that is your preference, but to say that without a sight you will never be as accurate as with one is complete horse pucky.

the other DWS

09-18-2011, 09:14 AM

Part of the "no-sight" mentality is grounded in the whole knee-jerk anti-compound mindset that infected the revived traditional archery world a few years ago. I note I'm saying "part" not "all". Some of the games and classes are specified for sight-free equipment.
And to my personal taste sights on most one or two longbows are a strange and alien thing:2cents:
Obviously archers who are suffering from physical limitations may require augmented equipment to continue to enjoy the sport and I will be among the forefront of those who would encourage and assist them.

The neo-traditionalists are totally and blissfully ignoring the fact that sights were a fairly common part of recurve archery (as were releases to a lesser extent) in the classic pre-compound era.

Sights are "sighting aids". They are something to help those who want and need it. They are simply another set of visual references one can employ. They are not a substitute/short-cut for good solid form elements; and if mis-used used as such as a 'cure" they quickly can become a crutch. Even the Top FITA-type archers who use sights at long range absolutely depend on good form.

Note: in referring to "sights" I am referring to a bow mounted pin or similar system. If you add in a rear sight--string peep--it becomes a whole different discussion.

DanaC

09-18-2011, 09:24 AM

""The neo-traditionalists are totally and blissfully ignoring the fact that sights were a fairly common part of recurve archery""

Yeah, you'd think all the sight mounting screw-holes in all those old Bears and Howatts would be a dead giveaway ;-)

Greysides

09-18-2011, 10:58 AM

I see nothing wrong with using a sight if that is your preference, but to say that without a sight you will never be as accurate as with one is complete horse pucky.

Sorry, don't agree. I've seen BB archers strap on a sight and very quickly be substantially more accurate. Previously I could out-score them, then I couldn't. That's not to say a better BB archer couldn't. But that better BB archer would probably really out-score tham once used to sights himself.

buejeger

09-18-2011, 11:08 AM

Sorry, don't agree. I've seen BB archers strap on a sight and very quickly be substantially more accurate. Previously I could out-score them, then I couldn't. That's not to say a better BB archer couldn't. But that better BB archer would probably really out-score tham once used to sights himself.

I agree Aidan, Yes I have beaten sighted olly shooters in FITA 18 rounds indoors, but that had more to do with form than anything else...

Top shooters score well, the best barebow guys can beat middling sighted shooters, but the top sighted shooters will be above the top barebow shooters most if not all of the time.. just look at result lists where scores are comparible, in other words shooting at same target at same distance... like a FITA 18 or the IFAA 300 round.

Sights can be a crutch, but archers shooting sights as a crutch will never make the cut.... good repeatable form is key in archery, so a sight is not th ebe all and end all... but two archers of equal skill, one barebow, one with sights, my money would be on the sighted guy.

With FITA shooting its not just the sight though, the olly guys have long stabs and clickers too... do not underestimate the power of a clicker to increase scores...

buejeger

09-18-2011, 11:17 AM

Now... to get back on topic...

Strange really, that sights arnt trad thing... When I first got into archery nearly a quarter of a century ago :eek: my first bow was a little 3 piece quicks Hunter 45# and I got it second hand with some wooden arrows and a 5 pin sight!
Now I used my youth fishing, snaring rabbits and shooting them with air rifles... this bow had "hunter" written on it... didnt take me long to take it to my local rabbiting spot and my first ever arrow at a live target took that bunny down... 2o yards , perfect shot straight through the rib cage... I was hooked! now... it wasnt untill I decided to join a club that I discovered two things... one Bowhunting of GAME in the UK was outlawed in the 70s... and that that sight I had on bow just had to go! (luckily for me rabbits are vermin and at that point the law was a little grey... so I stopped as I didnt want to be the one starring in a test case!) but the sight thing I just didnt get! in fact once I got into competitive archery it didnt take me long to swap to compound... the self appointed trad police did my head in! with all the bells and whistles on a compound to discuss, there was very little bickering between compound shooters... but the longbow / trad guys... oh my :eek: now I am back to trad and still the discussions are raging... string walking is cheating, carbon arrows arnt trad, aluminium even!!! 3 under... cheater!!!
But now I am old enough to just do my thing and thumb my nose at the trad police, the wooden arrow zealots and the split finger ayatollahs...

aroadik

09-18-2011, 03:39 PM

:whathesaid: You make some very valid points Nathan, I have found the self appointed Trad police are usualy the losers and jealose, I hope that comment does not make me a big head :) ! On sights, at the one and only big shoot I participated in here in Oz, I beat our national coach, she shot sights etc I shot BB, she had a terrible shoot (too busy doing official stuff) I had an uncharacteristic excellent shoot. Swings and rounderbouts !

fentiger

09-18-2011, 06:06 PM

Most consistent/accurate with peep, pins and kisser.

SRF with kisser decent left to right and vertical almost fair.

Take away each of my crutches one at a time and it eventually becomes ugly!

Barebow, sadly have to yell "fore" before each release.

excelpoint

09-18-2011, 09:50 PM

Goto agree. For my style of hunting which is all ground spot and stalk in heavy cover a sight would be absolutely useless. I have to consistently take shots from bow canted (my normal style) to vertical and at times almost horizontal. A sight just simply would not work. Maybe tree standing or similar where you might get very consistent shots but not on the ground.

I'm going to add my two cents worth.

I'm strictly a bowhunter. I don't do formal target archery. With this said, I bowhunt with light poundage bows, limit myself to 20 yards and under shots and wait for my favorite broadside lung shot. Most of my shots for the last decade have been between 12-17 yards.

I "don't" aim at the whole deer. I pick a small spot on where the lungs would be and let loose the arrow at that spot on an animal's body.

I also don't use a sight. Why? Very simple. With a one pin (or more) sight, the bow has to be held vertically all the time when the shot is taken. If one cants their bow at a 2 o'clock position for the shot to be taken, the one pin (or more) sight is absolutely useless.

If you think I'm wrong in my comments, do your own experimentation. Take your one pin (or more) sight, aim at a target 20 yards away, cant your bow at a 2 o'clock position, use your pins and see if your arrow hits where the pin says where you aiming at.

wallyworldmudhen

09-19-2011, 05:21 AM

i am coming back to traditional after a number of years with compound and one of the factors is a desire to return to "simpler" as against "lots of equipment".
:)

buejeger

09-19-2011, 06:59 AM

i am coming back to traditional after a number of years with compound and one of the factors is a desire to return to "simpler" as against "lots of equipment".
:)

Thats what we all say to begin with.... if you want to stay that way.. keep away from Trad Talk :D

Simple.... yea.... look what happened to me! :help:

http://www.lediardfoto.com/xp/xp-7.jpg

Dave Holquist

09-19-2011, 07:34 AM

I'll take a shot at the op's question. I shoot and hunt without sights......because I can. It's really that simple.

Blacky

09-19-2011, 07:41 AM

Nathan,

those little peg-boards look just like the ones in the IKEA catalog. :D Maybe you should join BCA (Bow Collectors Anonymous).

Blacky

buejeger

09-19-2011, 12:03 PM

Nathan,

those little peg-boards look just like the ones in the IKEA catalog. :D Maybe you should join BCA (Bow Collectors Anonymous).

Blacky

IKEA is for bowhunters too :D (new slogan for them maybe?)

I am an honary lifetime member of BCA :D

aroadik

09-19-2011, 03:44 PM

Nathan, you are funny this morning :)
Thanks.

buejeger

09-19-2011, 04:10 PM

Nathan, you are funny this morning :)
Thanks.

You are welcome Pete.. :D

After the day I have had, a bit of a laugh was needed. ( my afternoon, your morning)

Have a good one Pete! :cheers:

ben maher

09-19-2011, 04:38 PM

mlnielsen

09-19-2011, 06:31 PM

Say an individual wanted to try a semi-period correct pin sight. All I see available new are target sights like Shibuya and Sure-Loc, or hunting glow sights like Spot-Hogg, Cobra, or Tru-Glo. Where could one find an old-style 4-pin sight?

kenn1320

09-19-2011, 07:56 PM

If ya need or want sights on ur bow, go for it. I don't have them on my trad bow, if it qualify s with its metal riser/ilf limbs/plunger/etc. lol I use sights on my compound, cause I haven't shot it enough without them to hit anything I was looking at. Everybody has their own personal image of what their definition is. I went to bare bow for the challenge and sights lesson the challenge for me to the point of I might as well be shooting my compound. If I see a guy with sights on a recurve, don't bother me any. What I don't get is the guys that think sights are wrong, then admit they gap or string walk. Ive tried string walking and yes I'm much more accurate, but then I'm back to that thought of why not just have a sight if your going to be "aiming" like that. I'm not talking specific class shooting, just hunting/shooting in general.

red44

09-19-2011, 08:12 PM

Same here. If you want to use a sight that's fine with me. I shoot what I want. Is'nt it all about enjoying it?

rwsbow

09-19-2011, 08:27 PM

I shoot with sights on my bows and have for about 40 years...I enjoy shooting with them, and THAT is all that matters...I shoot my bows for ME, not for anyone else's approval..
I don't shoot against barebow shooters in competition, so it shouldn't matter to anyone how I shoot...
I use a one-pin sight and use it to gap shoot at the ranges that the pin is not set for, and has worked extremely well both for enjoyment and killing animals...

aroadik

09-20-2011, 04:27 AM

I still use a recurve that has 4 pins attached . A tack driving rig for sure ... and it looks nice next to my back quiver full of woodies and Belcher Union Jack hanging on my wall ...
We grew up with a division [ ABA] for sighted [ pins ] recurve in our local comp ... it pretty common and normal back then ... before we all went "trad" ....

Hey Ben, over here (WA) I have to shoot ABA, barebow recurve against the barebow compounders, Why ! apparently the little 2.5"x 3/4" inscribed brass plaque trophy's are too expensive to cover each discipline. Only here, in WA !!! guess who won't be shooting ABA interclubs anymore. The oldies at my club have a great time on our wednesday shoots and I am enjoying my shooting much more. Cheers Mate.