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Bill McNeal
03-28-2005, 03:19 AM
Here is some of the writings of John Zens...................


My letter to the sponsors of the recent "Clergy Conference" in Atlanta reflects my deep concern over the biblically unjustified practice of dividing God's people into two classes - pulpiteers and pew-sitters. It is a pattern that certainly reflects the hierarchical patterns of the world, but which does not square with New Testament teaching.

This baseless "clergy/laity" distinction has become such an assumed given that it permeates nearly all of our evangelical literature. The excerpts provided at the end of this article * have been gleaned from magazines, books, catalogues and advertisements and are typical of the extent to which the "clergy/laity" division has become a part of our evangelical language and environment.

The following material has been adapted from the article I submitted with my letter to the conference sponsors. I have no desire to stir up unnecessary dissension, but I believe that if the Church is to attain her full potential as the visible body of Christ, she must divest herself of such unscriptural hierarchical structures and return to her intended "one-another" relationships and ministries.

Before we examine the historical and biblical evidence, consider the following three examples of the kind of teaching that has influenced this "clergy/laity" thinking:

On this office [of Pastor] and the discharge of it He has laid the whole weight of the order, rule, and edification of His Church. 1

[The Pastor] is like the cerebellum, the center for communicating messages, coordinating functions, and conducting responses between the head and body . . .The pastor is not only the authoritative communicator of the truth from the Head to the body, but he is also the accurate communicator of the needs from the Body to the Head. 2

[Pastor Hamman] likened the total church to an army. The army has only one Commander-in-Chief, Jesus Christ. The local church is like a company with one company commander, the pastor, who gets his orders from the Commander -in-Chief. The company commander has lieutenants and sergeants under him for consultation and implementation, but the final responsibility for decisions is that of the company commander, and he must answer to the Commander-in-Chief . . . The Pastor has the power in a growing church . . . The pastor of a growing church may appear to outsiders as a dictator. But to the people of the church, his decisions are their decisions. 3

A recent ad in an evangelical magazine, had the heading, "Not Every Question Gets Answered On Sunday Morning". The truth is that probably no one's questions are answered because no inquiries are allowed. The pulpit monologue precludes dialogue. The pulpit can only be occupied by certain people - the "clergy". The rest - the "laity" - sit in pews. In this dichotomy you have the essence of our religion - Catholic, Protestant, or otherwise - in a nutshell: the "clergy" are paid to give and the "laymen" pay in order to receive. This distinction permeates our religious vocabulary, and unfortunately captures the heart of our practice: we pay the "clergy" to do the necessary religious activities. It is wearying to hear refrains like these repeated in so many evangelical advertisements: "Finally, a commentary that both pastors and laymen can understand" . . . "this video is equally profitable for clergy and laity".

While the "clergy/laity" distinction is embedded and assumed in religious circles, it cannot be found in the New Testament. It reared up its ugly head in the third century, long after Christ's apostles died. We should be pointedly reminded of the utter deceitfulness of sin when we realize how deeply such an unscriptural and damaging concept has taken root in visible Christianity.

The New Testament teaches leadership among the people of God, but not in a way that leads to the "clergy/laity" conclusion. The root words from which we derive the English words "clergy" and "laity" are found in the New Testament, but our usage of "clergy/laity" is far removed from the New Testament concepts.

Clergy . . .

The English word "clergy" is related to the Greek word "cleros". It means "a lot or inheritance". For example, in 1 Peter 5:3 the elders are exhorted not to lord it over "the lots" (Greek: ton cleron), which refers to the entire flock of God's people. Nowhere in the New Testament is any form of "cleros" used to designate a separate class of "ordained" leaders. Instead, it refers to the "inheritance" (Greek: clerou) laid up for all the saints (Col. 1:12; Acts 26:18). The saints as a collective whole are conceived of in the New Testament as God's "inheritance". We have utterly perverted and turned upside-down the New Testament teaching by using the term "clergy: to refer to a special elite group of church leaders.

Laity . . .

This English word is related to the Greek word "laos", which means "people". The Greek word "laikos", which means "laity", is not found in the New Testament. All in the body of Christ, whether "saints, bishops, or deacons" (Phil. 1:1), are the "people" ("laos") of God. "People of God" is a title of honor bestowed upon all who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ (2 Cor. 6:16; 1 Pet. 2:9-10).

It was not until the third century that "clergy" was employed to designate a limited number of persons who functioned in the Christian assemblies. One of the worst outcomes of the "clergy" doctrine was that it communicated the notion that without the "clergy" present there simply was no church. Baptism, the Lord's Supper, and many other church practices, could not happen unless a "clergyman" was present. This idea persists to our day even in the workplace, as James D. G. Dunn notes, when "some of the early statements regarding industrial chaplaincies . . . seemed to imply that the church was not present in industry unless and until an ordained clergyman became involved on the factory floor". 4

Because the New Testament knows nothing of "clergy" the fact that a separate caste of the "ordained" permeated our vocabulary and practice illustrates rather forcefully that we do not yet take the New Testament very seriously. The "clergy" practice is a heresy that must be renounced. It strikes at the heart of the priesthood of all believers that Jesus purchased on the cross. It contradicts the shape Jesus' kingdom was to take when He said, "You are all brethren". Since it is a tradition of men, it nullifies the Word of God (Mark 7:13). Dunn sees the emergence of "clergy" as a very negative historical fact:

When Clement resorted once again to the distinction between "priest" and "laity" (1 Clem. 40:5), he was pointing down a road which would fundamentally compromise if not make a mere cipher of a very basic element in earliest Christianity's self-understanding . . . It is the apparent disregard for something quite so fundamental by subsequent Christian history that does more to undermine the canonical authority of the New Testament than most heresies . . . The major authority acknowledged by all Christians [the New Testament] has been effectively discounted and ignored. 5

Every Christian tradition has its insights and blind spots. But the "clergy" system is practiced across the board and is thus a universal blind spot. Seminaries and Bible Schools have multiplied to produce people for the "clergy" profession; ministerial conferences abound to supply support and encouragement that the "laity" cannot give; magazines are published to provide ministerial tips; pastoral search committees must be formed every time a minister moves on; clergy counseling must be provided for those who burnout and have nervous breakdowns; etc., etc. A whole intricate system is in place to perpetuate and preserve a role which the New Testament knows nothing about.

Like it or not, this "clergy" role ends up requiring a virtual omni-competence from those behind the pulpit. "Clergy" are paid to perform whatever is necessary to keep the religious machinery going, and the expectations are very high for those who wear the many hats this profession demands.

continued.............

Bill McNeal
03-28-2005, 03:21 AM
here is that article, continued...........

The deadly problem with this unscriptural system is that it eats up those within its pale. Burnout, moral lapse, divorce, and suicide are very high among the "clergy". Is it any wonder such repeated tragedies occur in light of what is expected of one person? Christ never intended anyone to fill such an ecclesiastical role. In light of Paul's remark in 1 Cor. 12:14 that "the body is not one part but many", we should be able to discern that the "clergy" position is neither healthy for those in it, nor is it beneficial for the body of Christ.

Scholars have debated the propriety of ordaining women as "clergy". However, a larger, more fundamental question has been passed over in the process: should anyone, male or female, be ordained as "clergy", since the Bible does not know of such an office? 6

The terms "Reformation" and "Renewal" are buzzwords in religious publications. Sadly, most periodicals of this sort approach the "clergy" system as sacrosanct, thereby reinforcing its stronghold in contemporary churches. I submit that to seek the renewal of the "laity" while perpetuating the "clergy" system is like mixing oil and water. Deep renewal (a healthy body) will come only as every member contributes his/her gifts and graces, which includes a leadership that practices the servant model revealed by Jesus in Mark 10:42-45. The "clergy" system stands as a monumental obstacle to genuine reformation and renewal. The church must jettison this system in order for the Word of God to have free course.

If those who function as "clergy" come to conviction that this role originates from unscriptural traditions and not from New Testament patterns, there are some practical steps that must be taken:

* Stop using "Reverend" and other religious titles in connection with your names (and encourage others to cease using language that reflects the "clergy/laity" distinction).

* Renounce your "clergy" status and see yourself as part of the "laos" of God who has manifestations of the Spirit, along with everyone else, for the good of the body (1 Cor. 12:7).

* Teach the body that your "clergy" roles and all the expectations that go with them are based on human traditions and not the gospel.

* Instruct the brethren that all aspects of caring for one another rest with the body, not on some spiritual elite.

* Begin a new methodology of truth-seeking and truth-speaking. Instead of the "clergy" spoon-feeding the "laity", study important issues together from the Word with a view to finding Christ's will and acting upon it.

* Adopt a teaching style where dialogue occurs and questions/insight from others are encouraged.

* As the body makes concrete changes in the way "church" is done the emphasis shifts from dependency on one person to edifying multiple participation.

* Your financial support as a clergy person is admittedly a difficult issue, but needs to be creatively evaluated. The traditional view that it is necessary to pay the "clergy" to preach, visit parishioners, do various administrative duties, etc., is without New Testament foundation. As long as "clergy" are paid to do religious duties why should the body develop its "one-another" ministries? Paul testified to the elders at Ephesus: "I coveted no one's silver, gold, or costly garments. You yourselves know personally that these hands ministered to my own needs and those of others with me. In everything I have pointed out to you that, by working in this way diligently, we ought to support the weak, being mindful of Jesus' words, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive' (Acts 20: 33-35)". As ministry becomes increasingly shared in the body, it takes the load off one person and frees the congregation to evaluate how its financial resources can be maximized for edification and meeting people's needs.

Obviously, the "clergy" system has become a mammoth institution. When you touch this nerve the whole body quivers. This long-standing system will not disappear overnight. Not every "clergy" person takes the New Testament seriously, but those who do need to lead the way by personal example to a paradigm shift which will better reflect the New Testament revelation of church life. People who withdraw from the traditional "clergy" model out of faithfulness to Christ will have a heavy price to pay. Nevertheless, the question still remains: Is our confession that the New Testament is sufficient for faith and practice a reality or a sham? If we are serious about following Christ, how can we remain party in perpetuating a "clergy" system which contradicts the very essence of the ecclesia our Savior purposed to build? When is enough, enough?

There are at least 58 commands in the New Testament unfolding our "one-another" responsibilities, and zero in the New Testament about "the pastor" being the cerebellum . . . the one company commander in the local church . . . the one who has the power . . . upon whose shoulders rests the whole weight of the order, rule, and edification of His church. When are we going to wake up and realize that the evil one has tricked us into squandering resources for a "clergy" system that is unknown in and opposed to the New Testament, and thereby diverted us from spending ourselves for all the implications of loving one another, for which there is abundant New Testament warrant? Larry Crabb summarizes a crucial goal that believers should have in their life together:

Change takes place when truth is presented in relationships. Perhaps a relationship of deep regard and empathetic concern is the context for change, creating an atmosphere in which the truth of God can be heard non defensively and thus penetrate more deeply . . . To be healthy, a church must present truth in the context of encouraging relationships. 7

The reality in local church life is that nothing hinders the fostering and cultivating of encouraging relationships more than the "clergy/laity" distinction. It stands as a huge road block to the very atmosphere we desperately need in our assemblies. The time has come for each of us to personally take the responsibility to live a life that refuses to knuckle under to the stifling "clergy/laity" tradition, and to begin fresh new paths of obedience where the body of Christ functions as vital parts contributing to the growth of the whole in live (Eph. 4:11-16).


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Unregistered
03-28-2005, 05:12 AM
Bill McNeal,

I find it intruiging that you accuse those of us, i.e., the vast majority, who have posted positions backed up scriptures as "regurgitating the doctrines on man." Yet now you are cutting and pasting Mr. Brogden and now Mr. Zens, men, and hailing their writings and spirituality. Hmmmmmmmmmmm, I think it hypocrisy to take this approach after endeavoring to dismiss positions with strong scriptural backing.

In case you failed to notice, the early church had elders and deacons, and they had lay people. Mr. Zens carefully chooses scriptures and uses them out of context.

Bill Lamb

Esquire
03-28-2005, 08:08 AM
Bill you are a hard man to keep up with. When I recently posted a link to a supporting article, you said:

"Both of you claim that your doctrines are based on Scripture, but when tested, you both point to the books, teachings, and essays of like-minded men to bolster your arguements. You can post all the links you want Esquire, for the wisdom of this world is "foolishness" as God says."

This quote is representative of many comments you have made, "rebuking" folks for relying upon anything but scripture. Now, on several threads, you are flooding us with lengthy articles written by unknown individuals, citing to other unknown individuals.

Nothing wrong with posting articles for discussion, but there is an apparant consistency problem that plagues your posts.

I have found this to be a pretty sharp bunch, generally. I'm afraid if you rebuke in one thread for something you employ in another, you can probably expect to be called on it! :)

Mike

WildmanSC
03-28-2005, 09:31 AM
Bill McNeal,

Another thought comes to mind now that you have posted the musings of Mr. Zens. Are you going to renounce calling yourself an evangelist? After all, you are just another member of the body, no greater nor lesser than the rest of we blood bought sinners.

Bill Lamb

Bill McNeal
03-28-2005, 11:10 AM
Actually, I see nowhere, where I have proclaimed the essays I have posted as Biblical truth. Those much of it is based on Scripture as these men see it, the Truth must be tested. The writings of men can only point us towards the Bible, where the Truth will be ultimately found.

You will NEVER see me stating that the writings of Zen, and so forth are "Holy doctrine", the way the Roman Catholic church, and other mirrors of that church do with regards to the trinity, kissing the Popes ring, praying to dead people, and calling Mary the Mother of God.

Shalom!

Esquire
03-28-2005, 12:15 PM
Bill,

Not trying to make a big deal out of it. I never claimed the articles I linked to were biblical truth either.:)

Like you, I tested them against my understanding of the scriptures and found the to be helpful. Now don't get upset, my friend - I'm just holding your feet to the fire as a friend!

:cheers:
Mike

Bill McNeal
03-28-2005, 12:28 PM
Mike, Mike, Mike, I preach Christ Crucified, and Risen, His Doctrine, of Him, and by Him my friend. I can't get upset by what you say. Now religious folks on the other hand, they get reeeeeeeeeeaaaalllllll upset at guys like me. I was preaching once in a Southern Baptist Sunday school class, when I actually thought my son, and I were going to get lynched........ :) :) :)

The mention of "Election" in a SBc is borderline suicidal.....hehehehehe

Shalom!

WildmanSC
03-28-2005, 01:39 PM
"The mention of "Election" in a SBc is borderline suicidal.....hehehehehe"

Bill McNeal,

The only problem with your misguided view of election is you cannot see that each individual has the opportunity to cast a vote in the election. Each indiviual can vote to believe, or not believe, in Christ Jesus and Him crucified and resurrected. You only need to look at the four examples of salvation given in the Bible in Acts chapters 8 and 16 and you will see that the people in Samaria, the Ethiopian eunuch, the Roman jailer and Lydia all chose to believe the gospel that was preached to them.

You still are dodging my questions. How and when was you saved, Bill. And if you died right now do you know beyond a shadow of doubt yor would go to Heaven. And can you give a biblical basis for your salvation and for your knowledge that you will go to Heaven if you die?

Bill Lamb

Bill McNeal
04-01-2005, 03:50 AM
"The mention of "Election" in a SBc is borderline suicidal.....hehehehehe"

Bill McNeal,

The only problem with your misguided view of election is you cannot see that each individual has the opportunity to cast a vote in the election. Each indiviual can vote to believe, or not believe, in Christ Jesus and Him crucified and resurrected. You only need to look at the four examples of salvation given in the Bible in Acts chapters 8 and 16 and you will see that the people in Samaria, the Ethiopian eunuch, the Roman jailer and Lydia all chose to believe the gospel that was preached to them.

You still are dodging my questions. How and when was you saved, Bill. And if you died right now do you know beyond a shadow of doubt yor would go to Heaven. And can you give a biblical basis for your salvation and for your knowledge that you will go to Heaven if you die?

Bill Lamb


Bill, I think you are confusing the term"election" with the human definition of it, where you think we "Christians" cast votes to secure our Salvation. This however is incorrect because the act of voting is a deed, and deeds are not guantors of Salvation. The Biblical term of "Election" is used first in the Old Testament to denote Gods choice of Israel to be the Covenant people, who would bear the title of "His people". God could have chosen any race of people to carry that title, but for His pleasure He chose Israel.

In the New Testament, God now calls the Elect , The Church, that is Christians, who now replace the nation of Israel, and become what God calls, that is "The Holy Nation". The Israelites did not cast a vote to become one of Gods Elect, and neither do Christians. The term "Election" is Gods act, of Electing who He Chooses, not the act of people choosing God, then voting for Him. There is no contest, there is but One God, and those created are not given a vote.

With regards to your statement that the Biblical conversions in the Acts point to human choice..............Sorry my friend, they do not. It was the Lord who clearly tells us that He struck down Saul of Tarsaus, and it was the Lord who tells us that Saul would be called Paul, and that He was His "chosen vessel". This command of God was not contingent upon Paul agreeing to believe. Paul believed because the Holy Spirit allowed him to believe.

Let us ponder the Ethiopian............Many will read this certain scripture, and try to proclaim that this person who admits to not understanding the Gospel, all of the sudden says he believes in Jesus Christ???????Why is that???how is that???......Well, it's kinda of obvious, if we read the scripture in more detail. You see, Phillip, didn't just decide to take a short cut through the desert on the Gaza road, where he just happened to bump into some fellow reading OT scriptures, then gave him instructions.

Phillip was sent by and "Angel of the Lord" down the road...Acts 8:26, and then it was the Holy Spirit that told him to go jump in the chariot with the guy.....Acts 8:29. You see, all conversions MUST first be under the direction of the Holy Ghost. Whether you believe the Ghost actually enters the person prior to Salvation, or directly after is not the issue, BUT what IS the issue is that in every conversion in the Bible, we FIRST see the presence of the Holy Ghost PRIOR to all conversions.

When God inspired His writer to pen the conversion of Lydia, He makes it a POINT to tell us, that HE opened her heart to respond to the Gospel that HE gave Paul to preach. Nowhere does it say Lydia "resonded" of her own freewill, or that she cast a vote to believe in God. Lydia was chosen before Creation to have her heart opened by God.

Now Bill, I don't think I have dodged your questions. I was saved when God saw fit to take me out of my death sentence, by giving me a new heart which contained His commandments. A heart that would make a former enemy of Jesus, {as all men are}, able to pronounce that He is Lord, the First born among the Dead...Rom10:9.

Did I earn this new life???........Nope........Was I able to confess Jesus without Jesus????.........Nope. I am just a humble, and blessed son, who is not worthy to take any credit for my gift. If I be dead in Him, or become caught up with Him in the clouds , it matters not. The Trump of God still brings me home!

Shalom!

WildmanSC
04-01-2005, 01:07 PM
"Phillip was sent by and "Angel of the Lord" down the road...Acts 8:26, and then it was the Holy Spirit that told him to go jump in the chariot with the guy.....Acts 8:29. You see, all conversions MUST first be under the direction of the Holy Ghost. Whether you believe the Ghost actually enters the person prior to Salvation, or directly after is not the issue, BUT what IS the issue is that in every conversion in the Bible, we FIRST see the presence of the Holy Ghost PRIOR to all conversions."

Bill M,

I think we have an area we can agree upon. There is no doubt the Holy Spirit MUST take the word of God, usually through the foolishness of preaching but not necessarily so, and bring conviction to the heart of an unbeliever BEFORE he or she can be saved. Outside of the Holy Spirit's convicting power, if we "lead a person to the Lord", we actually have won the person to ourself, our church, our faith or whatever, but not to a true saving knowledge of Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

When witnessing to a person I am very sensitive to attempting to discern whether the person is under the convicting power of the Holy Spirit, or rather is just wanting to say what he/she thinks I want to hear and/or wants to hurry me up so they can get rid of me. If I discern it is either of the latter two cases, I tell them I will be praying for them and will come back and talk to them at a later date. The last thing I want to do is give someone a false sense of security/salvation and have to answer for their soul being in Hell at the Judgement Seat of Christ due to my overzealousness.

In Christ,

Bill L