Ok Kill Me Now

[gurn]

I'm kinda new and hope I'm puttin this in the right spot.
Just some of my thoughts on weapons,methods, and general stuff. :)


I dont care what folks use.
Although I own a crossbow, I got no use for one right now, but who knows when I could. Way too many laws that have nothing to due with game management, but just one feller trying ta put his personal hunting religion on someone eles. I like the longbow. No other bow gives me even close to that same feeling when out in the woods, or just shootin targets. It's like magic to me. I am so sick of the words fair chase. If a certian animal is deemed to need thinning by Biologest trained in game management, then do what is right. Thin em out with whatever means you chose. Bait em, shoot em with a 458 Lott, longbows, crossbows, spears or whatever. Some, not many floks, really understand that hunting was not a contest for bragging rights about how many points, how difficult you made it (longbow vs, compound, vs crossbow, vs rifle, vs scoped rifle), or anything eles we have turned it into. Do it your way for your reasons, and not only let, but encourage others in their ways. My opinion is the most honorable reasons for hunting are either, gathering food, or wildlife management.
Fair Chase has sometimes turned into to a phrase that narrow minded self rightous hunters hide behind.
All right my rant is through.

Ok kill me now..................................... Wait, No, not yet!!!

I firget one more thang ta add, so I can get this off my chest also, pertaining to high fence.
If ah feller buys his own live stock, fences in his own property, and makes a livin chargin folks to shoot his live stock. I say good for him scratchin a livlng out of what he has, and good for the folks that have enought money who keeps him making a living. If I was him, or the folks that go there. I wouldnt give a flyin flip about what someone eles thought.
Far too many of us are canibals. we gladly eat other hunters, hiding behind our own hunting religion. Not realizing were next on the menu.


Ok......................... now ya can kill me. :help: :)

[Warped Arrow]

Now that post is something to chew on!!! I'll get bac to you before the dessert course, LOL!!

[gurn]

Ok but go easy on me. I aint got the cents I was borned wit. :)

[Warped Arrow]

LOL, still chewing, LOL!!

[DanaC]

gurn, the argument isn't whether crossbows are legal, oir effective tools for game management, but whether they are BOWS and should be allowed in the archery-only hunting season.

I hunt with guns during the appropriate seasons, but don't advocate for allowing them during the archery season. The crossbow is not a bow. The essence of bow hunting is getting close and timing your shot so the deer doesn't catch you doing so. If 'herd management' is your primary concern, take your vacation time during gun season and do drives.

[gurn]

I think were beyond the point of no return. Bow season, as the situation it was started in. It was a long season started for folks shooting a longbow or recurve. Thats gone forever. So the romantic concept of bow season lost it's real meaning forever. In a way thats sad, but not all bad cause, romance, love, and all that mystical fuzzy fellin stuff has caused many ah feller to run on his fellings not his clear thinkin. Now were stuck with stuff we dont like. The wife done runed off on us and fount another man thats better endowed. and left us with the credit cards. That was one of them parabels. Is that how ya speel it? :)

The "real" bow season (that no count floosee) done runed off on us with the advent of the "better" endowed compound. Ta top that off, that new fangled stuff called sicence. Them dang biologest go ta school and try and tell me stuff that grandpaw said aint true, and just plain aint right.
I'm shame ta say my own flesh and blood, my son is one of em. They go ta work for the goverment, and start researching. Workin with all these game wardens and big goverment tryin ta tell us that we got to share are seasons with forks that shoot easy stuff different then we do. After all that hard work we done praticing and readin all them Fred Asbell books.!!!
They say that wildlfe study, management, and enforcement cost a whole lot of money and is more important than what we would like to have as far as seasons. They say somebody has ta pay for that stuff and it aint cheap.
They say bow and all hunters are the ones that pay for all this research and game wardens. They also say kids and old folks aint huntin like they used to so the money aint there. They say even though we think feel or know it aint fair. We should let are feelins and opinons take a back seat. If we embrace compound and crossbow hunters they will help pay the bills and help stand up aganist them weird PETA folk for old crotchatee sitck fellers like me.
Ok I'm set in my ways and tried it when gun season came I grabed my bow and headed into a tree and my boy grabed his compound. We came back with meat and kinda got jeest ah little full of our selfs. I started thinkin if this longbow stuff is about "doing it the hard way" (sorry Tred hpoe ya get better). What a better way then matching wits with the gun compound and crossbow hunters.

I have a Mathews Monster Compound. Lay it side by side with my longbow and crossbow. It sure looks and functions a lot closer to the crossbow than the longbow. Yes you do have to draw it. Thats where it purdy much ends.
The monster has about 100fps rating over the crossbow, and around 200 over the long bow. Shooting the longbow I'm holding 49#. The monster I'm holding10# the crossbow 0. I'm thinkin 10 is a lot closer to 0 than ta 49#.
I dont know if ya own or have ever hunted with a crossbow.
I've never hunted with one, but have shot mine and my sons. I think they are heavy, bulky, awarked, unforgiving in any thing off tune, cantankerous,
and generaly a pain in the butt. They are wall hangers at our house.
Given the choice of all three my son will aways pick up his longbow or compound when he hunts, and he hunts alot. He aint some archery romantic
like me. He really is a deer kinllin machine. He leaves the crossbow to collect dust because he has better weapons to do the job. He hunted with his once then in his words. "Dad these things are not for the handicap. They are a handicap." Recon I rased ah smart boy. Must ta got it from his mom. :)
The boy shot a deer year before last with his mathews. He told me I saw that thing comming aways off so I drew, think 80% let off. He said, Dad I held this thing back for what seemed like forever. Well he whacked it when it came in, he had been drawed for quite a while. That sounds to me its not that much of a strech from a crossbow, but a long strech from the longbow. His compound aint bulky akward dont weigh 9 or 10 # . Did ya ever try ta reload a crossbow in a treestand??

Just to let yall a little futher in to the strange small mind of gurn.
Heres a small post I made on a little trad board I mod at.

Ok boys I went and checked what our laws are. They are pretty loose. In most situations you can use one. I'm sure It wont be long before theres no restrictions at all. Am I mad because I havta pratice my butt of to shoot this stupid old longbow, and some other feller that never shot a bow in his life buys a crossbow?? Then he goes out the next week and whacks a dandy bigger than I ever shot in my whole life right in my huntin grounds?
NO...........................Bless His Heart. Heck I could be on the welfare and aint got nuttin ta do sept shoot my bow and walk to the box and get my check.
He might work 12hrs a day and have no time to practice. Everyone is in different situations, and I'm just glad ta see folks enjoy Gods creation and gifts, however they get a chance to.

Hold me back boys, I'm lettin my butt show agin!!

I'd better check with the doc and see if I'm on the right medication.

Heres how it stands in Michigan now.

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/dnr/Crossbow_FAQs_270346_7.pdf



Ok one more

I think we can use them now in most of the Michigan with very little restriction. I'll have ta look that up. They even have a special season in Kentucky just for them. My boy shot a big dandy buck in KY the one and only time he hunted with it. The reason he got it wasnt because he had a crossbow. He got it because of a lot of scouting, a lot of wildlife study, and a lot of confidence in his chosen area. He set many time in that stand seeing nothing before the old boy finally came by. His choice of weapon wasnt what got him his dandy.

[Backpack]

hey gurn .. im new here as well .. in regards to you saying someone should be allowed to have livestock on his own property and make a living by having people kill the livestock .. that's being done every day .. its called a slaughter house operation . the biggest treath to hunting is public opinion . and we don't need to give the anti hunters any more fuel .. just my 2 cents gurn

[gurn]

Backpack. I think calling a larger thickly wooded high fence operation a slaughter house is a bit of a stretch. The critters have more than enough cover and area to out smart you. How do I know? I went to one about 15ys ago to hunt hogs. The weather was hot and them critters were buried down in the mud and hiding in the swamps. I still hunted all day and never got up on one. The owner said you can come back another day and try again. Had a great time, and didnt pay anything. I did go back later and got one, then he got his cash and I got the pork. Not saying that is how they all work but this fellow had a great set up. Making a living off his own providing entertainment and meat to his customers. I look up to a man that makes it on his own.
I really do not believe if you closed down this gentlemans operation and all others like him. It would help fight off anti hunters. Their menu is very long and they will never be full till hunting is outlawed. This is not to be disrespectful. They are masters at at taking any form of killing animals
and attaching words and emotions to it for their mission. Like slaughter house.
The anti gun folks are the same way. Take a certain type or firearm then spend alot of time and money convencing folks it's bad so we need to ban it.
Then many of us bite the bait thinking maybe they will be happy and stop, but it's too late when we relize that that was just the top one off the long list. Their sucess in baning that has only fired them up more.

Alright aint here to convince anyone. Dont feel thats my mission in life. I just want at be left alone to kill critters with my bow. So I'm thinkin I dont want ta make bad with others that just want to kill critters some other way.
If I do, then I might just havta be lookin over my shoulders when thay get mad and join in on gettin me.
I would be glad to see one long season where all of us hunters could use what we wanted together. Then again I'm weird. I'm sure yall have figured that out by now. :)

Backpack
Tell me about your pack, water pump, stove, tent, bear container, and stuff like that. I love that kinda stuff.