Coming Events

[Garry]

Do you generally agree or disagree with the following?

ORDER OF COMING EVENTS IN THE TIME OF THE END

A. Pre-Trib
1. Day of Christ, Pre-Trib Rapture (Rev 4:1)
2. Jesus given 7-sealed Title Deed of the Earth (Rev 5:1,7)

B. The first 3.5 years (1260 days) of the 7-yr Tribulation (Dan 9:27)
1. First seal is broken (6:1), The Beast of Rev. 6:1,2; 13:3-10 rules 1260 days
2. False Prophet revealed when he strengthens the covenant of Dan. 9:27
3. God's two witnesses prophesy during the whole 1260 days (Rev 11:3)
4. Second seal broken, war comes (Rev 6:3,4)
5. Third seal broken, famine strikes (Rev 6:5,6)

C. Mid-Trib to the end of the shortened Tribulation
1. Fourth seal broken, Satan-possessed False Prophet rules (Rev 6:7,8)
2. Fifth seal broken, some believers martyred (Rev. 6:9-11)
3. It's "a little season" to the end of the shortened Tribulation (6:9-11)
4. Sixth seal broken on Eve of Trumpets (Rev 6:12f)
5. Darkness precedes Day of the Lord (Joel 2:31)
6. Multitudes in the valley of decision: for the DAY OF THE LORD IS NEAR (Joel 3:14)

D. Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets, 1st day of Leap Year and Millennium
1. Day of the Lord, Coronation Day (Isa 13:9)
2. On Earth, day of the Lord is darkness, and not light. (Amos 5:18)
3. Gog's army attacking Israel (Eze 13:5)
4. Day of God's Wrath, Day of Destruction (Joel 1:15; 2:1-3) (Isa 34:8) (Jer 46:10)
5. Day of the General Assembly (GA) in Heaven (Heb 12:23)
a. Heaven's saints gathered to GA (Mt 24:31)
b. Pre-Wrath Rapture, Earth's saints gathered to GA (Mk 13:27)
(1) Christ's Coronation, King of kings, Lord of lords
(2) Marriage of the Lamb (Rev 19:7,8)
(Dan 7:14) (Rev 11:17)
(3) Judgment Seat of Christ (II Cor. 5:10)
(a) In Heaven, all saints receive their rewards (Rev 11:15-18)
(b) On Earth, all unbelievers receive the Wrath of God
6. Seven trumpet judgments come out of the 7th seal (Rev. 8:1-6)
7. Seven vials of God's wrath come out of 7th trumpet

E. Seven months, Tishri 1 to Nisan 1, Hebrew Leap Year (Eze. 39:12,13)
1. Five months, unbelievers tormented by demons (Rev. 9:1-12)
2. Two months, war, "third part of men killed" (Rev. 9:15-18)

F. Nisan 1, 1290 days from Mid-Trib (Dan. 12:11)
1. Second Advent, all saints come with Him (Zech 14:5)
2. All his angels come with him (Mt. 25:31)
3. First day of Hebrew Regnal Year (Christ is King) (Eze. 29:17,21)
4. First day of Hebrew Sacred Year (Christ is High Priest)

G. The 75 days following Second Advent (Dan 12:11)
1. Judgment of the Nations (Mt. 25:32-34)
2. Dominion taken away from Satan, he'll fight, it's Satan's last ditch stand
3. Armageddon, Satan's army against Christ's army (Rev 19:19)
4. Satan chained (Rev. 20:1,2)
5. Beast and False Prophet cast into Lake of Fire (20:10)
6. Daniel stands in his lot of land in Israel 1335 days after Mid-Trib (Dan 12:12,13)

[BLACK WOLF]

Whew...someone has done some homework ;)

I can't say if I agree or disagree with any of that specifically, but I'm looking forward to studing it with all of you.

Ray ;)

[CM Sackett]

First, and foremost... No man knows the hour (Mt. 24:27; Lk. 12:35-40; I Thes. 4:13- chapter 5:3; Rev. 16:15, etc.)...

NOT EVEN THE SON OF MAN (Mt. 24:36).

Ours has never been a calling to "know" the "end-time" timeline, but rather to know AND obey the owner of not only "that time"... but of ALL time and things.

Now, for some of the references made...

* Rev. 4:1 says absolutely NOTHING about any form/type of "rapture". In fact, that word NEVER appears in our Father's word... ANYWHERE.

The verse referenced is clear about its content and context... that of John being called up to witness "what must take place after this...".

* "Tribulation" (7 years). This word, used in such a context... NEVER EXISTS IN THE WORD OF THE ALMIGHTY... EVER.

* The referencing of Daniel, chapter 9... clearly speaks of the "temple" in its context. THERE HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY NO TEMPLE SINCE A.D. 70, when the Roman general Titus laid waste to what was left of Jerusalem (including the temple). He and his barberous actions fit the context of this reference to a tee.

For brevity's sake, let's go down to the referencing of Rev. 19:19 in reference to "Armageddon" (funny, the ONLY place that word is used is in Rev. 16:16. NOTE: It clearly states in that verse that this term is a Hebrew term. It's a derivitive of the 'plain of Meggido', found only in 2 Chronicles 35:22).

In fact, reading the context of the scripture given for this great "battle" (Rev. 19:17-21) shows quite plainly that NO BATTLE EVER OCCURS. Before it could start the beast AND the false prophet were captured... the rest, were killed by the "sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse."


In short, like Peter, when he wanted to know what would happen to another servant of the King, the WHOLE of scripture makes it plain that our job is NOT to spend our energy trying to figure out when this all will END... but rather "... You must follow me." (Jn. 21:20-22) until the Father's appointed hour of Judgement (Mt. 25... the whole chapter is about being "READY".). I find that to be not only biblical... but quite enough of a challenge, itself.


Sackett

[Garry]

Referring to the Rapture, why did Jesus say, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man" (Mt. 24:36), when in Mark 13:23,33, he said, "take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL THINGS".
The word "knoweth" is present tense. On that day, no man knew. I don't think it means that no man can ever know.

Rev. 3:3 says, "Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what HOUR I will come upon thee." Turn it around. If we do watch, he will not come on us as a thief, and we will know the hour.

The word “rapture” comes from Paul's "caught up" remark in 1 Thess 4:17. The words “caught up” are translated from the Greek word harpazo, which means "to carry off," "snatch up," or "grasp hastily." The translation from harpazo to “rapture” involved two steps: first, harpazo became the Latin word raptus; second, raptus became the English word “rapture.”

This generation (the last generation) is to be given signs. In Luke 21:25, Jesus said, "THERE SHALL BE SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars (lit., constellations); and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring
We must watch for signs and pray that we will be accounted worthy to escape in the Pre-Trib Rapture. In Luke 21:36, Jesus concluded with, "WATCH ye therefore, and PRAY always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass (i.e., in the Tribulation), and to stand before the Son of man" (in Heaven).

Rev. 4:1 says that John was "caught up" or raptured.

In 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Paul writes: "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

[BLACK WOLF]

I see nothing wrong with discussing these topics as long as someone doesn't become consumed by it and miss the deeper and more important message within the Bible.

If we can talk archery, why can't we talk about Revelations?

Ray ;)