Just for Us "Knuckle-Draggers"

[Desert Archer]

[The following is posted some what tongue in cheek. No one should be offended in any way, shape or form.]

Those of us who are vertically enhanced (rather than challanged) were recently made to feel "different" here by someone who will remain nameless (are you listening Piney?). I have recently made a discovery that will be of some benifit to the long sleeved crowd and make them feel better about themselves (self esteem is so important these days - ask any public school teacher).

In an e-mail conversation with Sid Ball of Border Archery (in Scotland) I learned they offer ILF recurve limbs that make up into a 72" bow. I am going to start squirling away some to the retirement check so I can get a pair of these long, tall and proud limbs. Some day I will have a bow that's taller that some of the people who like to make fun of my draw length. Then you will all be jealous of my complete, total and absoluete lack of string pinch! (grinning face goes here)

Dave

[Bob Gordon]

DA...That's interesting to know that someone is making limbs for us well enhanced (draw length only) people. Now if someone would just come up with a carbon arrow footing or splicing method like they do on woodies we could shoot most carbons arrows that are made for the draw length challenged archers who have to settle for those short 31" factory shafts!!..LOL....warf

[the other DWS]

I think you ought to talk to James about making you a 4 foot long riser for your short limbs, it's give you the same effect and probably better performance since your string would not have to be dragging those long wind resistant and heavy limbs around. Plus the extra effort in those last 3 or 4 inches of draw will contribute to your cardiovascular well being.

Seriously. ----- I talked at some length with the late Bill Stewart about riser/limb design and proportion and he was absolutely convicted that , draw weight and limbdesign being the same, short limbs on a long riser were more efficient and produced higher velocities than longer limbs on a shorter riser. With his 3 piece TD bow he had 3 limb and riser combos that could give a bow of the same overall length. A lot of guys would order the long limb short riser combo--largely because it looked more traditional, in his opinion. However if he could get them in the shop to actually try bows hands on they almost always went with shorter limbs and a medium or long riser

[Scooter]

:crymeariv

Oh to have the problem of having trouble finding arrows long enough. Not sure why anyone would make fun of someone who can get 60# out of a 35# set of limbs :eek: LOL.

DWS I think there is some validity to what Bill said. In the compound world the fastest bows are the "hard cam" jobs where there is very little limb movement. The more the limb moves the more efficiency lost. Same concept for a recurve. The shorter limb on a longer riser should move less thereby being more efficient # for #. You'd also have less weight etc.
:2cents:

[the other DWS]

Bob, shouldnt be too hard to file the rim of an insert and use it to butt joint two shafts--you could then have 60" arrows for those of you who are seriously enhanced. With the right glue it should hold up just fine How it would affect the spine and balance would have to be experimented with--but a long as ther were done so they d be consistant. Maybe use a short 3 or 4 inch section of a stiffer shaft in front where the shaft paradox flex is not so critical if you only need 34 or 36" shafts
I've thought of turning some exotic wood dowels down a little to be a tight fit inside a shortened black carbon shaft to create a wooden foot.

[Bob Gordon]

Wayne...Hmmm, Texaco ebony's footed with purpleheart, interesting consept, BUT would it be traditional? I will have to ask Desert Archer as he keeps up on what's traditional these days...LOL....warf

[Desert Archer]

You guys are making fun but this short arrow business is serious to those of us who measure our sleeve length in yards (OK, maybe not that serious).

I have a solution for one size of arrow, Easton's half-out insert. I was using 3-39 ACCs as they were the right spine for my 41# target bow. The 3-39s only come in 31.5" uncut length. The half-out insert adds 1/2" to the shaft and made them long enough for me to use (measured from the nock groove it made a 32.5" shaft).

Bob, the above obviously can't be "traditional" as I mentioned the word "target" and the half-out insert is made of aluminum. You're purple heart foot would fool a couple of the trad police but as soon as they saw the "A/C/C" logo on the shaft they would have me dead to rights(LOL).

Dave

[Bob Gordon]

DA...I wouldn't worry about it much. They would not know what ACC ment in the first place. If they said Gold Tip you might be in trouble though. ACC's are just a aluminum arrow with a thin coating of some sort of "black stuff"...LOL...warf

[Desert Archer]

ACC's are just a aluminum arrow with a thin coating of some sort of "black stuff"...LOL...warf

Bob, have you priced them lately? That must be some really good "black stuff" (LOL).

On a more serious note (not that there's been much about this thread that was serious - LOL again) if you ever get a chance to shoot or buy a pair of these Border limbs don't pass it up. I'm really impressed with their performance and I don't even have the 72" jobs.

Dave

[Scooter]

Hey knuckle draggers. Thought I'd let you know there is a set of long 50# FX limbs on ebay right now. Don't see too many 50# ers on there. Be a bit of a waste for my stubby 28" draw. You guys will probably get 70# out of them. :D

[Bob Gordon]

DA...Your right about the ACC shafts, they should be gold plated for what they want for them but they sure shoot good. Guess you could shoot them where carbon's are not allowed as they are a "hi-brid" aluminum arrow..LOL Being a knuckle dragger does have some advantages, we get some serious performance out of recurves and longbows and we can tie our shoes without bending over....warf

[Pinelander]

".... were recently made to feel "different" here"

DA - that's because you knuckle-draggers ARE different! :p
You're fortunate in getting 15-20 fps faster arrows compared to those that don't look all that different than a "Mr. Potato Head" with short arms trying to pull back a bow... so quit your whining. LOL

"for us well enhanced (draw length only) people"

You said it Bob... not me. LOL

"complete, total and absolute lack of string pinch"

No offense to archers that prefer SHORT bows... but I can't think of any better way to get the most accuracy out of a bow than one that has a relatively long, heavy riser and longer limbs to match. :D

Alright then... how about AAA... (Ape-Armed Archer)
or maybe a term with a bit less causticisity, like EDA... (Enhanced Draw Archer)
:lol:

[James Wrenn]

You knuckle draggers just shoot wood arrows.It is more traditional anyway! :) I wish I had the problem of finding arrows long enough. You long armed guy will always be my heros when it comes to bows. :lol:

Yeah a 72" bow with a 40" riser should be just right.Some of those old target bows have some long risers on them.My 66" Temujin has more riser than limbs.Of course I don't know what it would look like with Desert Archer at full draw. ;) My bushwacker riser counting wedges is 25" and thinks it is a heavy weight bow. :)

[Desert Archer]

In the interest of complete disclosure, we of the long arm crowd don't get quite that much advantage. At the standard increase of 2#/inch I would only get 59# from those FXs. If it was 3#/inch I would still only get 63.5#. So you see, 70# is just unrealistic (LOL).

You're right, those are kind of rare. I was going to say something about "who would use 50# target limbs", then I remembered that our own Limbwalker shot something like 48# at the Olympics and I've heard some of the Korean Olympic archers are shooting 50+ bows.

I'm starting to think I may have long arms but I'm a wimp when it comes to heavy bows. It's a good thing I get more performance from the long power stroke or I couldn't shoot past the venerable 17.3 yards (smiley face goes here).

Dave

[Pinelander]

DA - yeah, you may only be getting 2-3#/inch...

but you're also getting in the neighborhood of 5-7 fps/inch at same poundage as the short-draw folks.
That sure adds up fast. :)