Where's TJ?

[Cueball]

I noticed TJ wasn't on the members list. I know that he is probally down and out about losing the status of 10,000 post but we have got to drag him over here to start a new.



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[DAS]

Yea, This place wouldn't be the same without TJ! Kinda like scrambled eggs with no Tobasco!

[BowDonkey]

He's just giving us a chance to be the frontrunners for once.

[BowDonkey]

Any bets on how long it takes him to get a post pulled?

[BowDonkey]

I bet I know whats going on. He's probably some prisoners boy now and really doesn't have time for this board or archery anymore. LMAO!

[Papabull]

Last thread he started over there was asking if all the scientific technical stuff was taking all the fun out of archery for anyone else, too. Different strokes for different folks. Different communities will appeal to different personalities. This was a nice place for TJ for awhile because of our distaste for censorship. But I think he felt left out due to the nature of the topics and he took a few love taps over the elephant bows he shoots.

Some communities emphasize the "traditional" in traditional archery, while here, we tend to emphasize the "archery" in traditiional archery and that appeals more to those who love shooting, learning more about the sport and becoming excellent archers than it does to those who are casual archers but very ardent Trads.

:sbrug:

[Viper]

Papa -


Some communities emphasize the "traditional" in traditional archery, while here, we tend to emphasize the "archery" in traditiional archery and that appeals more to those who love shooting, learning more about the sport and becoming excellent archers than it does to those who are casual archers but very ardent Trads.

:sbrug:

That about sums it up.

Hey the :thankyou: :shooting: :highfive: are back !!!

Very cool, thanks, Bull!!!

Viper out.

[thisbucks4u]

Like him or not, he is responsible for a lot of the sense of "brotherhood" we had. You can not fault a guy for calling apples "apples". Take him or leave him, I still call him a friend.

[Desert Archer]

Most of the talk in archery circles tends to divide us into "wheels" and "traditional". There is another, perhaps even sharper but less recognized division and that is bowhunter versus archer. Leatherwall definitely appeals to the "bowhunter" while TradTalk appeals to the "archers".

I remember a thread over there that asked if you would shoot a bow if hunting was outlawed. I was surprised at how many wouldn't touch a bow again without hunting.

Not trying to knock the bowhunters, just distinguishing between bowhunters and archers who hunt. Back in the '60s when archery was really big there were archers everywhere, some of whom hunted. The hunters back then were not the majority. That ratio is reversed today, which I think leads to some of the heated debates, misunderstandings and brused egos.

Dave

[Esquire]

Dave,

I remember that post. I was surprised as well. Most of my own shooting has revolved around hunting, but if hunting was not available, I can't imagine giving up shooting the bow.

Papa,

I like your distinction on emphasis. It's probably why I post and read more here, and there, less.

Mike

[swampy]

He,ll be around I,m sure.As far as pokin fun at the heavy bows well noe it,s just in fun esspecially since he seems to shoot them ok so who would wanna piss him off LOL besides PB takes a few pokes now and then about green tights or was that pink tights with heels LOL

[Bill Tait]

T.J. hasn't been the same since "New Guy" showed up with his #160 Howard Hill bow.

Worse case is he gets thrown off the Leatherwall in a month or two, then shows up here ready to rumble.

[James Wrenn]

That 160#s done TJ in. :crymeariv

[Scooter]

I missed that thread. I know I would still shoot bows. I'm a bit of an oddity amongst the people my age I know who shoot bows. I'm 35 and I started shooting just because I thought it was cool and seemed fun. It was kind of a natural progression to bowhunting from there. Most bowhunters I know were gun hunters first and then moved to the bow for more of a challenge or a longer season. I still have never shot a deer with a gun and don't really have any urge to do it. And no I have absolutely nothing against gun huting, just not my thing.

[tuffshot]

TJ as well as some others have deep hunting roots and come from that type of back ground. The archers formal training is not available in most parts of the country. Archery has evolved or developed a new age bowhunter and archer, but there are some that like the old ways in both fields. Some want to bring back Field archery and some want to kill more deer.

Bow, arrow, target, both bowhunter and archer have a common ground.. :)
Alot can be learned from both disiplines.

I am sure TJ will visit from time to time and enlighten us with his witt and wisdom :D

[Papabull]

I always hate those kind of threads. It ineveitably turns into a platform for people to insinuate in the only "acceptable" way that it isn't necessary to be proficient before launching arrows at animals. "We don't need no stinkin' archery - that's for paper punchers".

Those kind of discussions occur all year long with differing levels of intensity until hunting season comes and they're replaced with a bunch of "missed another one" and "tracked 'em 10 miles and still couldn't find 'em" threads.

Making arrows go where you want them to go is important to all archers who enjoy shooting at circles and one would think it should be at least as important to all archers who shoot at targets that taste good, too. Being a good shot might not make you a good hunter, but it's a little silly to think that poor shooting makes someone a good hunter, either. That's like listening to the fellow on the corner bar stool incoherently explaining how great he drives after downing a six-pack. Keeping the truck between the white lines and out of ditches doesn't make someone a good driver, you know.

[ROD JENKINS]

I saw a thread a couple days ago(LW) where a guy I know here in Alabama, stated more than once, that it was his experience that the better shooters weren't good hunters...well hes not a good hunter and a terrible shooter, but probally a better hunter than archer and feels better by claims such as those.....now if they scored his woodsmanship skills, he may in fact need to find another excuse :shooting:

[Papabull]

Do you think maybe the Army has it all wrong and is actually making troops poor combat soldiers by training them to shoot well? If good shots are bad hunters, maybe they'd be bad soldiers, too? I know if I was in a foxhole on a hostile front, I'd feel a lot better about things if the guy watching my back was a miserable marksman, ergo a good soldier.

[mjhall]

Boy this is relly getting interesting!! All kinds of possibilities!! Do you mean that maybe I could be considered a "good " golfer??
:thankyou: Mike

[tuffshot]

They train our troops to shoot well enuff they just don't let them practice pulling the trigger enuff on the front.. :)

[BowDonkey]

Man I can't believe my post didn't flush him out.

[Papabull]

Being able to hit a golfball where you want it to go is OK for people who want to stay in nice manicured grass, but if you want to become a good woodsman, you need to have an uncontrollable slice. :)

[the other DWS]

may be; but it better not be with an axe, hatchet, or machete.

[Pinelander]

TJ went over to the LW to stir-up some heavy/light arrows threads and was having some fun from what I could tell. I look forward to TJ posting here in the future. As Tuffy mentioned, there are some that have deep hunting roots, myself included and I felt some ties with my hunter friend TJ. Regardless of what I shoot or how I shoot, whitetail hunting will always be at the top of the list of my archery pursuits.

Now wait just one pickin' minute there PB... you mean to tell me that if I improve my shooting, I just might become a whackin'/stackin' whitetail destroyer one of these days? Sorry to burst your bubble... I was doing that for many years shooting with the "burn-a-hole" technique, eating venison on a regular basis as well. I will admit though, that I'm enjoying archery much more these days shooting arrows by the 100's rather than ONE by ONE by ONE.

I contributed on a thread the other day "Why are so many of you trying to shoot groups?" To make a long story short... I said to be a better shooter. Definitely in the minority on that particular trad hunting forum.

:shooting:

[Viper]

Gents -

I hoinestly believe you do NOT need to be a good shooter in be a successful hunter, in the same sence that a successful hunter should have the woodsmanship skills to either sneak up behind a deer and club it to death with a baseball bat, of jump out of a tree onto a deers back and slit it throat.

Thing is we're supposed to be bowhunters, and that was, in my time, only one aspect of being an archer. We wanted to shoot as well as we could 10 months out of the year, so when we'd go hunting for 2 months or less, we had the best chance of connecting, after our woodsman's skill got the game within range. Pope said, an archer wants to see how far he can be from his target and still make a successful shot, a hunter wants to see how close he can get. Don't think too many of us fall into the extreams of either catogory, so we try to blend the two. Think a good, ethical hunter wants both good woodsman's skills and good shooting ability.

:2cents:

Viper out.

[DAS]

I guess when I distill it all down, IMO there is no more important time for good archery skills than when a life hangs in the balance. The consequence of a badly punched paper hole, even during competition, pales by comparison. To be a good hunter you need to strive to be the best archer and the best woodsman that you can.

[Stagmitis]

DAS right kinetic! Words of wisdom! :highfive:

[swampy]

I guess when I distill it all down, IMO there is no more important time for good archery skills than when a life hangs in the balance. The consequence of a badly punched paper hole, even during competition, pales by comparison. To be a good hunter you need to strive to be the best archer and the best woodsman that you can.



Very well said!!

[pondscum2]

i agree, TJ will be back sometime, but a lot of the fun seems drained out of him since he found a job. :mad: soon after he showed up on the wall complaining about my grammar etc. can't get a rise out of him anymore. some of the trouble i got into on the wall was for defending him & his "passionate" defense of the "sport" of archery. i reckon no good deed goes unpunished, huh.... :2cents: ps2

[pondscum2]

finally got a rise out of the ol' cod over on the 'wall! had to insult him on a thread titled "ugly heads", haw! same ol' TJ, just in a different forum.... :cheers: ps2

[Desert Archer]

Not so sure he will come back, which would be a shame. Most of his threads on the LW seem to be about 180 degrees off of the point of view we tend to express here. Maybe I'm just getting part of the message or even misreading it, but I think he didn't like the techno trad direction TradTalk has kind of veered into.

Too bad if he's rejecting us because of the metal risers, carbon arrows and aiming systems.

Dave

[O'B]

DA,

Whadda ya mean????? You aim??????

:lol:

[Desert Archer]

O'B,

Yes, sad to say but I do aim. I've had to hang my head in shame when surrounded by "real" traditional shooters, at least until we start shooting beyond 20 yards (LOL). Anymore I don't even try to claim I'm traditional. Just call myself a barebow recurve archer (smiley face goes here).

Dave