Stimulus Bill creates jobs!

[Seven Arrows]

According to the Center for Immigration Studies, illegal aliens will take 300,000 of the 2 million construction jobs to be created by the stimulus bill. The CIS figure is based on Census Bureau estimates that 15 percent of all construction workers are illegal aliens or immigrants who are not authorized to work in the United States.

Congress revealed that, for all its "Buy American" blather, it does not believe that 10 million jobless Americans should receive any preference in hiring.

[Free Range]

You know the first thing I thought of when they started this stimulus bill, with the majority of the “new” jobs being created in building the infrastructure, was. Wow another windfall for the illegal aliens. Construction is notorious for hiring illegals, probably the only other sector with more would be the restaurant business.

[raisins]

Then we should crack down on people who hire them.

[Heathen]

Then we should crack down on people who hire them.:amen:

One of the local poultry companies knowingly hires illegal aliens. I guess being a large Bush/Cheney campaign contributor it's okay.:mad:

Can't recall them being raided after Numbnuts and Darth were elected in 2000.

Hopefully with the regime change maybe they'll get their butts run through the wringer.:highfive:

[CJ5]

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Hopefully with the regime change maybe they'll get their butts run through the wringer.:highfive:

You actually think Obama is going to crack down?.........:lol: He doesn't want to do anything about illegal immigration either, he just has different reasons. Obama will be even more accomodating. I noticed yesterday that the Justice Dept. has opened an investigation into the Maricopa Co. Sheriff's Office for possible civil rights violations concerning illegals. He's running them through the wringer all right.........the funny thing is WHO he's running through the wringer.

[Free Range]

Raisins and Heathen, probably the first time I agree with you two. Yes Bush didn’t have a clue, or more probably he did and didn’t do anything about it for political reasons. Both are wrong on this and should be run up the flag pole for letting it happen.

[recurve1]

Neither party wants to really do anything about our borders. We should only let those in our country that have gone through the legal channels, and those that are allowed in should have a thorough background check done. We all came from somewhere [except American Indians], nothing wrong with immigrants but it is hypocritical to preach national security and not even secure our borders. If they're here illegally they should be de-ported. If companies hire illegals they should be prosecuted.

[raisins]

You actually think Obama is going to crack down?.........:lol: He doesn't want to do anything about illegal immigration either, he just has different reasons. Obama will be even more accomodating. I noticed yesterday that the Justice Dept. has opened an investigation into the Maricopa Co. Sheriff's Office for possible civil rights violations concerning illegals. He's running them through the wringer all right.........the funny thing is WHO he's running through the wringer.

Don't know the full story here, but from what I hear, that Sheriff was a bit of a psycho. Just 'cause someone is in law enforcement doesn't mean they are always right. I believe we can crack down on illegal immigration without being aggressive idiots about it.

[raisins]

http://www.arpaio.com

not sure how much is right, but a lot of people are angry, and they aren't all 'illegals'.

[Dave Holquist]

http://www.arpaio.com

not sure how much is right, but a lot of people are angry, and they aren't all 'illegals'.


You're sooo right, raisins! Guess who they are?
Reps. John Conyers (D-Mich.), Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.), and Robert Scott (D-Va.) requested the investigation, and activists groups such as National Day Laborer Organizer Network and ACORN launched petition drives and rallies in support of the probe.

Pretty much says it all right there! To which group do you belong? :confused:

[raisins]

Listen...even a broken clock is right twice a day. So, because people you don't like don't like the sheriff doesn't make him a victim of left wing whatever. It has no bearing on the issue. Just admit that sometimes a liberal rightly accuses a conservative of something, you'll feel better after you do.

[Seven Arrows]

How about the fact that he IS a great guy? Should that have any bearing?
He's been re-elected umpteen times. Even his prisoners like him and he's helped a number of them turn their lives around. He enforces those laws you were talking about. He goes after employers who hire illegals. Janet Napolitano didn't have any problem working with him. This crap is coming from DC.

[Bowcephalus]

"Then we should crack down on people who hire them."

"Crack down" on 'em?

Are you serious?

We just elected the "people who hire them".

Who do you think just allocated the money?

Someone's not paying attention here.

Shovel anyone?

[raisins]

Obama hires illegal aliens? Wasn't aware of that.

[Bowcephalus]

Sit back and watch.

You will be.

[raisins]

How about the fact that he IS a great guy? Should that have any bearing?
He's been re-elected umpteen times. Even his prisoners like him and he's helped a number of them turn their lives around. He enforces those laws you were talking about. He goes after employers who hire illegals. Janet Napolitano didn't have any problem working with him. This crap is coming from DC.

Okay, I shouldn't have mentioned someone I don't know personally and who hasn't been convicted of anything. But having said that, I don't think you know him either Seven. But a conservative thinking that a guy with a hardcore authoritarian personality type (obvious enough even from interviews) is a great guy without knowing him? Say it ain't so! And a liberal thinking a cocky cop with complaints filed against him by minorities is a dirtbag? Say it ain't so!

[CJ5]

Listen...even a broken clock is right twice a day. So, because people you don't like don't like the sheriff doesn't make him a victim of left wing whatever. It has no bearing on the issue. Just admit that sometimes a liberal rightly accuses a conservative of something, you'll feel better after you do.

raisins...........it looks like you are being pretty quick to jump the other way to me. Yet, everyone else has a bias, not you;) Just because you don't like what the sheriff is doing doesn't make him a psycho, or an agressive idiot.
I guess the best way to combat a sheriff who's doing his job a bit too well for some is to claim civil rights abuses.

[raisins]

Sit back and watch.

You will be.

Are you speaking in code now? Do I need to buy a chevy truck to use the numbers on the gas tank as some sort of rosetta stone here?

[raisins]

raisins...........it looks like you are being pretty quick to jump the other way to me. Yet, everyone else has a bias, not you;) Just because you don't like what the sheriff is doing doesn't make him a psycho, or an agressive idiot.
I guess the best way to combat a sheriff who's doing his job a bit too well for some is to claim civil rights abuses.

Well, you're talking to a guy that has a problem with authority. :)

[raisins]

raisins...........it looks like you are being pretty quick to jump the other way to me. Yet, everyone else has a bias, not you;) Just because you don't like what the sheriff is doing doesn't make him a psycho, or an agressive idiot.
I guess the best way to combat a sheriff who's doing his job a bit too well for some is to claim civil rights abuses.

And you jumped the other way mighty quickly and first. We should both wait and see and have no opinion until more facts are in. Your post seemed to imply the charges are BS when you don't know. You mentioned it first and I responded, committing the same slip in logic you had. Your post had the flavor of 'every time some republican gets accused of hurting a minority it is some liberal conspiracy'. Quite frankly, I'd bet dollars to donuts that most hate groups in the US would call themselves conservative and/or religious if asked.

[Bowcephalus]

Code? Well it may seem that way to you Raisins if you're one of those not paying attention here. And just for the record it didn't start with this President.

Here Raisins read this for a start.

http://wtop.com/?nid=596&sid=1622618

You might also check out who's pickin' those grapes at Pelosi's Napa Valley vineyard.

[Bowcephalus]

"Quite frankly, I'd bet dollars to donuts that most hate groups in the US would call themselves conservative and/or religious if asked."


Dollars to doughnuts huh? Not much conviction there.

Equal stakes.

[Seven Arrows]

The folks that keep re-electing Sheriff Joe are the folks that think he's a great guy, as well as a number of his former inmates. I don't think he's sweating the investigation much, I heard him say he welcomes it.

[Bowcephalus]

Two uninformed critiques of the investigation.

One presumes innocence and another presumes guilt.

Interesting.

[raisins]

True, I didn't like the guy's style, so I assumed the worst of him. My posting counterpart assumed it was politically motivated. A stink has followed this sheriff for a while.

[raisins]

"Quite frankly, I'd bet dollars to donuts that most hate groups in the US would call themselves conservative and/or religious if asked."


Dollars to doughnuts huh? Not much conviction there.

Equal stakes.

Well we were talking about a sheriff. :)

[billhuntz]

300,000 jobs is a number that can't be realistically defended.

Check out www.factcheck.org and www.politifact.com for some unbiased fact checking....

[raisins]

Interesting stuff, I'll spend more time at that site.

[CJ5]

And you jumped the other way mighty quickly and first.

Actually, I don't think I gave either side a pass in my initial post, pointing out that neither are going to do anything.

We should both wait and see and have no opinion until more facts are in.
Sure we can, at least on this particular case. But whatever the outcome, I doubt we'll ever see eye to eye on immigration;)

[raisins]

Actually, I don't think I gave either side a pass in my initial post, pointing out that neither are going to do anything.


Sure we can, at least on this particular case. But whatever the outcome, I doubt we'll ever see eye to eye on immigration;)

I don't think you know my opinion. I think that people shouldn't be allowed to enter the country illegally. This much we agree on. I don't think that the ones here should be rounded up though in a systematic way. I feel it would cause more chaos than it would be worth and would be a much huger undertaking than we could imagine. Not sure what percentage we could even get given years of dedicated effort and billions of dollars. It would make the war on drugs look like a success. A pot plant can't hide from the law and shoot back! So, with what to do with those here, I'm unsure.

[Seven Arrows]

This issue was grossly mishandled by the rank and file GOP in congress and is probably the greatest single factor that contributed to their losing the House and Senate. Bush offerred a sensible approach; assimilate and regulate. The all or nothing approach favored by those against, only served to alienate (no pun intended) the vast and growing Hispanic voting bloc. The Dems wisely read the signs and exploited it using legal and illegal methods, leaving the Repubs out in the cold. That's the way the cookie crumbles when you're too stubborn, dumb or idealistic to cope with reality.

[raisins]

This issue was grossly mishandled by the rank and file GOP in congress and is probably the greatest single factor that contributed to their losing the House and Senate. Bush offerred a sensible approach; assimilate and regulate. The all or nothing approach favored by those against, only served to alienate (no pun intended) the vast and growing Hispanic voting bloc. The Dems wisely read the signs and exploited it using legal and illegal methods, leaving the Repubs out in the cold. That's the way the cookie crumbles when you're too stubborn, dumb or idealistic to cope with reality.

Well said.

[billhuntz]

Ok so themoderators didn't like my websites but Arpaio's is OK. let it suffice that there are fact checking websites out there that will address the 300,000 numbers from an unbiased position. That number can't be defended. Some illegals will get jobs, no doubt. If you drive through any urban area you will see pickups with small builders signs on them and landscaping companies talking to groups of guys on a corner. The small business owner is just as culpable as the chicken processing plant owner. It's not the government that hires illegals, it's citizens!

But from what I read from some here it would be better to keep 1.7 million legal citizens out of work than give a possible 300,000 illegals a piece of the pie. I don't get the math.....

And Sherriff Joe is doing a good job out there. It's amazing when I see him doing an interview in the middle of a group of his prisoners and they are all smiling and he's not surrounded by guards.

[Rednef]

Its a conspiracy I tell you! Its part of the plot to eradicate the middle class American! You remember the salmonella poisonings in the lettuce and the spinach that came from Kalifornia? How did that happen? It was the illegals pooping on the crops in order to poison us! They are under orders from the Freemasons whom I am sure you are aware are just a front for the Illuminati.

[billhuntz]

Red you're right!!!

That's why I never take of my tin foil hat!!

ROTF!!!

[Bowcephalus]

Strawmen of overstatement serve neither side very well.

[billhuntz]

Methinks I hear laughter.....

[raisins]

Strawmen of overstatement serve neither side very well.

Neither do vague statements, BowConfucius. You should at least give enough info so that we know what you are talking about.

[Bowcephalus]

In the interest of following your own advice Raisins, enough info about what?

You raisins, are so interested in "piling on" much of the time, you never even read the info I provide.


Id est
http://www.tradtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16901

[billhuntz]

My apologies to the moderators...There was a signiificant lag in my earlier post showing up.

You guys are doing a great job, thanks.

[Heathen]

Ok so themoderators didn't like my websites but Arpaio's is OK. let it suffice that there are fact checking websites out there that will address the 300,000 numbers from an unbiased position. That number can't be defended. Some illegals will get jobs, no doubt. If you drive through any urban area you will see pickups with small builders signs on them and landscaping companies talking to groups of guys on a corner. The small business owner is just as culpable as the chicken processing plant owner. It's not the government that hires illegals, it's citizens!

But from what I read from some here it would be better to keep 1.7 million legal citizens out of work than give a possible 300,000 illegals a piece of the pie. I don't get the math.....

And Sherriff Joe is doing a good job out there. It's amazing when I see him doing an interview in the middle of a group of his prisoners and they are all smiling and he's not surrounded by guards.

Joe and his captive audience.

Reminds me of Sadam Hussien and his admiring unarmed crowds. :)