Warf Confusion

[Jagboy]

I have seen some pictures of warfed bows and they look very nice but as a new recurve shooter I don't understand the idea of why you would want to warf an old compound unless someone has an old compound and a set of limbs lying around the garage and think it is cheaper than buying a recurve.

At first I thought that maybe it was because you could use all of the trick stuff that will fit on a compound riser but now of the pictures showed anything other than a rest and plunger.

Thanks for enlightening me.

[thisbucks4u]

Usually you can get a riser and limbs for 300. Now, unless you have shot one, you have no way of knowing what your missing.

As of late, the Quinns gained recognition, and do make another good choice, Ill stick with my conversions.
I know of no other bow that you can tune so easily, be so stable thru the shot, and give so much performance than a converted compound bow for the money vested.
If youve got a riser already, your half done.

[jhinaz]

To list just a couple of the advantages:

A warf bow gives you "adjustability" in both draw weight and tiller that you won't find on other recurves. Also, the ILF manufacturers don't set a minimum gr./lb. arrow weight that you must observe in order to not void their warranty. - John

[OZ in MT]

What TB4U and Jinahz said plus here's yet another reason: Those old Black Bear pockets are so big you can put a ton of vibration cushion in for quietness and to take the place of limbsavers (boy are they speed killers). Even after all the cushions, that Oly or other limb will snuggle in like your daughter's teddy bear on a cold winter nite!

[Ronin]

Jagboy, until I got my warfbow and shot it awhile, I was just like you, "What's all the fusss about"? Most people that really appreiciate this type of bow are people that have shot enough bows to compare bow to bow.

The warfbow is faster than most bows at the same weight and if it isn't, you can shoot lighter than normal arrows to make it faster and flatter shooting. It is also very forgiving, stable, fits in your hand well, adjustable for tuning, can accept screw in accessories (wrist sling, mechanical rest, plunger, stabalizer, quiver, or even sights if your perfer), it is very inexpensive compared to most bows (I have $320 tied up in mine). And you can pay $150 for low end wood/glass limbs or $500 for high end foam/carbon. And from what I have seen, resale on the riser, limbs, or whoe bow are also pretty good.

The only draw backs that I see are that if you like heavy poundage bows and have a short or average draw length you will may have problems finding Olympic limbs that will get you over 55#@ 28", they are a little more difficult to get quiet than most bows, but it can be done, and you have to do something to the Olympic limbs to camoflauge them if you want to hunt with the bow.

[thisbucks4u]

Ronin,
this latest thing with the Quinn limbs should hopefull provide and end route around the draw weight problem, and also the noise problem. Just trust me.
ANd it is a heck of a lot easier to make a 1 3/4 inch wide limb fit where a 1 3/4" wide limb is supposed to fit. No messin with dovetail channels, no rattlin, Isolate the limb from the pocket with a nice piece of flat plumbers gasket. Should turn out to be a Win/Winn situation. (pun intended).

But I will say theres a lot of good risers out there ready to start life over that ya'll have never even heard mentioned. Alpines, PSE's, Matthews and even a couple Martins would make the cut for my team. The key is to educate yourself on what makes a good bow. Get an Oly riser, study it. Measure it. Figure out what makes it do what it does so well. Then take intuition and elbow grease and put your dream bow together. Havin a bow like everyone elses sucks. Be creative. Hell theres guys makin bows from plywood.

[Scooter]

Pretty much what everybody else above said. I might add that some of the reasons that make these bows superior shooters is; mass weight, it is a more stable platform (wood bows flex more both during draw ans when shot). and what doesn't get mentioned much is the centershot. They are "cut" well past center (more so that any wood riser can be do to strength). This allows you to set your center shot and still have a decent amount of plunger travel. :2cents:

[jhinaz]

tb4u wrote: "ANd it is a heck of a lot easier to make a 1 3/4 inch wide limb fit where a 1 3/4" wide limb is supposed to fit."

Mike, from what you said about 1 3/4" limbs, will the Quinn limbs fit a Proline riser without having to remove any wood from the sides of the limb-butt?

[Jagboy]

Thanks to everyone for the information. What brands and or models of compounds will work for the riser?

[easternhunter]

Thanks to everyone for the information. What brands and or models of compounds will work for the riser?

Do a search above for warf risers...it should pull up some old threads addressing this question. But in the mean time, Bear Black Bear and Prolines seem to be popular...Guys? jump right in here......

[thisbucks4u]

Jay,
No. Quinns are square butt. The Proline has tapered pockets so you'd need tapered limbs. The Black bear, hoyt rambo, spectra, gamegetter, raider and a ton of other older cast aluminum risers all have parallel pockets that happen to be 1 3/4" wide.

The one riser Ive been really excited to whoop on is the Alpine Turbo Extreme. Its got removable limb pockets, which would be substituted with limb pads, its got great geometry, and looks like a real winner.

Looks are always secondary to a great shooting bow, but hey, If you can get a great shooter that looks good too, why not? Right.

[jhinaz]

Thanks Mike. I like the lines of the Proline riser so guessI'll stick with the tapered ILF-type limbs (although that Darton Mustang thread has piqued my interest....... it kind of has the same lines as the Proline but seems to be about 4" shorter. hmmmmm) - John

[jhinaz]

I just experienced another GREAT ADVANTAGE of the Warf -ILF bows....... while I was releasing an arrow the nock broke and resulted in a dry-fire... the limb tips survived the incident perfectly!! :D

I had this happen a few years back to a reputable bow having non-carbon, non-ILF limbs and had a limb-tip shear right off. Although there are numerous advantages to the Warf over other bows, right now I'd have to list this "dry-fire" advantage as numero uno!! - John :2cents:

[starwriter34]

from what i understand about ibo rules.. they state you cant have arrow wieght less than 5 grains per pound.. a 30 LB bow can have 150 grain arrow.. having that light of a arrow will intesify all mistakes made.. i have spent enought time over the years to appreciate the olympic shooters.. having shot in that division for about 2 years.. before going back to just a straight traditional bow.. i got burned out having to spend countless hours and a ungodly amount of money to keep up with the equipment to shoot well.. there are rules about how light hte arrows can be.. i tend to stay around the 6-7 grain per pound.. its safer and a lil more forgiving.. hope this helps a lil about that..

chris