There's a breath of fresh air ...

[SteveGabriel]

flowing thru the country.

Barack Obama was sworn in 1/2 hour ago...

[Heathen]

Man you have a lot of Balls posting that here.

Bowchepus and the rest of the neocons are going to be all over you.:smash:

[standingstone]

Wow!!! is that what that was?? Here I thought it was the smell of a road kill.

[hogtamer]

Well, it's been snowing here for 2 hours....maybe Hell IS gonna freeze over

[SteveGabriel]

Man you have a lot of Balls posting that here.


only 2... but they're Red, White and Blue :)

[SteveGabriel]

Here I thought it was the smell of a road kill.
That was W leaving on Marine One...

[Bowcephalus]

Indeed there is.


The question is, how long can you hold it.

[SteveGabriel]

Indeed there is.


The question is, how long can you hold it.

Don't need to. Fresh air is good for you.

[Bowcephalus]

Wit is lost on some......You did limit your observation to "a breath".


The party's over.

[Sam Dunham]

OK Steve, I'll go along with you on this. Lets just hope it does not turn into a Fart.:)

[SteveGabriel]

Lets just hope it does not turn into a Fart.:)

Amen to that!

I am fairly liberal and I was pleased to see Obama elected so I posted this thread.
I think if I had posted this on the Campfire on Archery Talk, you'd be reading about me in tomorrow's paper. Either the obit's or the crime scene under lynchings...

[SteveGabriel]

...The party's over.

It's never going to start. Too much to clean up and we're probably not going to see the full effects of the economic downturn for several more months.

The times will be interesting.

[recurve1]

There definetely is a flow of air that smells like the odor of higher taves, gun control , the stinch of more abortions, and BIGGER goverment. We went from bad to worse. I understand people having different opinions but these socialist liberals and neo-conservatives stand totally against what our constitution was meant to be.But when those out there who like to hunt and enjoy the right to protect your families with a firearm, can no longer enjoy those rights should not be surprised.

[Heathen]

Amen to that!

I am fairly liberal and I was pleased to see Obama elected so I posted this thread.
I think if I had posted this on the Campfire on Archery Talk, you'd be reading about me in tomorrow's paper. Either the obit's or the crime scene under lynchings...


You mean the Piss and Moan club?:lol:

[Sam Dunham]

Heathen, lets meet over at C&J sports and shoot around the course some day. Not many trad shooters over here. We can shoot 30 targets for 5.00 and take our time until we hit where we want.

[recurve1]

Steve, Im not a demo or republican im a conservative. I've always wondered why people who dont believe in our constitution dont just move to another country? Because everything about people like Obama AND MCcain goes totally against what our const. says. It is only in a nation that has our kind of const that you have REAL freedom. You dont have freedom when you have the govrment taking over half your money, and freedom of speech? What about the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE? Really liberals are the most intollerant people ive ever known. How can anyone believe in abortion, gun control, higher taxes, and still say they believe in our constitution? I would have more respect for them if they just came out and said---i REALLY DONT LIKE OUR CONSTITUTION AND WHAT AMERICA FOUNDING FATHERS INTENDED--- That is what your really saying because liberalism and our constitution just DONT go together no matter how you slice it.Having said that you have a right to say what you want--well untill the liberals fairness doctrine takes affect. God bless and i dont mean to be disrespectfull.

[Heathen]

Heathen, lets meet over at C&J sports and shoot around the course some day. Not many trad shooters over here. We can shoot 30 targets for 5.00 and take our time until we hit where we want.


Is that the place by Beaver Dam?

I haven't pulled a string back in close to two years. Hope to change that this spring.

[Oldbear]

I love our country but you know the constitution is toilet paper right? There is so much the govt has been doing for decades that the constitution does not allow, that it no longer means crap. It is a shame and a bigger shame the people let it happen. Gun control, income taxes, central bank, a few big ones just for a start. All banned by the constitution. But - it doesn't mean anything anymore.

[ButchD]

I certainly don't believe a powerful central government is the answer. I take that answer as the Christ.
Barack Obama is going to have to manage till the next President. He has my support until then. Write your congressman, wear him or her out. Obama's a city guy. Let him know how sportsmen feel about their weapons.
Let's do the best we can, all is not lost!

[Seven Arrows]

All is lost! Up your's and screw everybody! :D

[Desert Archer]

I was a Republican until Gerald Ford. I registered as a Libertarian as they were big on individual freedom and lots less government. Several years back they got taken over by the anti-war crowd and now think if we're just nice to everyone they will be nice to us. Yea, that's gonna work. I'm now registered as an independent 'cause there's no where else to go. I too believe in the Constitution. Twice in my life I took an oath to protect and defend it against all enemies, foreign and domestic. But, what are you supposed to do when the greatest enemies to the Constitution turn out to be our own government and its people.

They just voted in the single most un-qualified Presidential Candidate of any major party in the history of this country. His solution to the economic problem we are in (a problem caused largely by government) is more government. More government spending, more government employees, more government bureaucracy, more government regulations, more government programs, more national debt.

Can there be a rational, thinking individual who believes any of that is going to help? Is there actually some one who thinks we are not headed into the darkest days of this once great nation?

I am sad, scared, worried and too damn old and out of options to do a damn thing about it. I feel very sorry for those of you who are younger, and particularly sorry for your children.

Dave

[recurve1]

Oldbear summed it up , PERFECTLY. Our constitution has been being trashed for years.

[SteveGabriel]

... Really liberals are the most intollerant people ive ever known. How can anyone believe in abortion, gun control, higher taxes, and still say they believe in our constitution? I would have more respect for them if they just came out and said---i REALLY DONT LIKE OUR CONSTITUTION AND WHAT AMERICA FOUNDING FATHERS INTENDED--- That is what your really saying because liberalism and our constitution just DONT go together no matter how you slice it.

This country was founded by a bunch of left wing liberals.
In 1776, most European countries belived kings ruled because God ordained it. Divine right it was called. This was radical thinking for the time. Now we accept it to be true.

Anyway, please refrain from using the 'liberal' label.
The country has been trashed in the last 8 years. Was this the fault of 'conservatives'? After all the national debt was doubled by lowering taxes for those who needed the break least and increasing domestic spending, right?
Restrictions on banking and investing put in place 60 years ago to protect investors were removed and now we're replaying 1931.

Should I say that this is because of 'conservatives'? That 'conservatives' are only for big business and want to destroy unions and any chance employees have to level the playing field with management because they belive working people should go screw off?

No. Labels like that are convenient but unfair.

Most conservatives do not agree with the excesses that have happened in the last few years.

The excesses of a few so called 'liberals' from 30 years ago do not mean all liberals are unthinking cretins any more that the excesses of the 8 years mean that conservatives are anti-intellectual fools.

[SteveGabriel]

All is lost! Up your's and screw everybody! :D

Say Hallejujah! Say Amen!

[SteveGabriel]

. I registered as a Libertarian as they were big on individual freedom ...

I was a registered libertarian in the early '70's myself.

Now I'm a registered democrat, since my town is dominated by dems and it's usually 1 slate of dems against another with the republicans coming in a distant 3rd. At least I can vote in the primaries and try to get rid of the folks I don't like.

[Bowcephalus]

On a level of personality and in the light of pop culture, I like the guy. I wish that everyone in this country were as "clean and articulate". I'm just not a great fan of pop culture in the first place. I can't figure where I fit into the political lexicon since Reagan. That is the last time I heard the message directed to me. With the exception of a bit of personal populist temporary madness precipitated by Perot.
When I hear "We must pick ourselves up and dust ourselves off..." I know I am not being addressed. When I hear "We have to save wall street to save main street" I'm out again."Clinging to guns and religion" is the only description, dismissive as it was, applicable in my case. 30% plus of my skin has been in the game since I was 16. All of this call to action and call for redemption does not, by definition or circumstance, apply to me. All of this great laundry list of what is required does not include me. I neither pine for nor do I expect, money from my government. It is obvious that others who live with a certain level of effort toward principles I embrace should feel the same. It is obvious as well that the other side of the political spectrum (such as those who in ignorance accept any favorable, relevant, significant historical context with the presidency of Lincoln) will not meet the call.

Enjoy the breath.

[recurve1]

Steve you need to study your history if you think our founding fathers were a bunch of liberals.Maybe they were fed up with big goverment like i am, thats why i voted for Chuck Baldwin. Anyway you have a right to be wrong.

[Bowcephalus]

I shall not hold my breath while waiting for those addressed by President Obama "..to begin the work..". Having already begun the work part some 40 years ago, that is a luxury I can ill afford.

[Oldbear]

Lol

[Oldbear]

Oops - that LOL was for seven arrows. Didn't see there was a page 2. Oh boy I suppose I insulted somebody...

[Dave Holquist]

Oh yeah, the markets really loved that "breath of fresh air", too: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aOYw.awwsNSg&refer=worldwide

:confused:

Whether you like it or not, now everything is all Obama's fault! :p

[falconpro]

Interesting how some would point to doubling of the national debt during a time of war as a cause for alarm, and increased domestic spending, bigger government, all the perceived ill's of the past 8 yrs.
And yet embrace ""Exactly those same polices"" as fare, and the way to our salvation for a president whom they perceive to be more in line with their own way of thinking.
On day 1 Pres. Obama would like to spend a TRILLION DOLLARS to "help stimulate growth. Ya, like thats not going to add to our debt. That's OK though because he isn't trying to destroy the country, as that rascally president Bush was.
And President Obama's new tax hikes, are now going to be tax breaks, because that may be necessary in order to help get things rolling again, But when that rascal Bush did it, He was just trying to pad the pockets of his buddy's.
Just by accusing the former pres. of being lousy, while accepting the new one as great, when he hasn't had a chance to even start his game yet, is "i'm sorry" Hypocritical.
I though our new President Obama's acceptance speech was incredible.
I didn't vote for the guy, but I perceived he has our best interest in his heart. It will be a while before all this economy trash shakes out. And the speech was the easy part. Now lets hope he can (we can) deliver. He deserves a chance.

[SteveGabriel]

Interesting how some would point to doubling of the national debt during a time of war as a cause for alarm...Just by accusing the former pres. of being lousy, while accepting the new one as great, when he hasn't had a chance to even start his game yet, is "i'm sorry" Hypocritical.
... Now lets hope he can (we can) deliver. He deserves a chance.


Just a few points: The war has not cost 5 trillion dollars so the doubling of the debt came from cutting taxes while not reducing spending. Reducing spending is always a problem since 70%+ of the budget is for a) debt servicing
b) military spending and c) Social Security/Medicaid. The rest is 'discretionary spending' andis used for everything else.
I never called Obama great. I never liked Bush and I'm glad he's gone but at this point Obama's simply President 'Not-Bush'.

Hopefully Obama can deliver, but a lot depends on congress. The republicans have been too stuck with ideology while the dems have proven to be spineless.

A comedian once said he wanted democrats in congress to pass the social programs he liked but he wanted republicans to protect his money.
Both parties have forgotton their basics.

[Oldbear]

Less than a year experience in office and he is pushed as the best Democrats have and to save the nation? Wake up people, he is just a puppet.

[falconpro]

Less than a year in office and he is pushed as being the very best the Dem's. have to offer......Bingo......

[Desert Archer]

The republicans have been too stuck with ideology while the dems have proven to be spineless.

That's an interesting 180 degree phase shift. I see the Democrats as the hard core ideologs, they stick to their party and edicts even if it will destroy the country. Tthe Republicans on the other hand wouldn't recognize a principle if it ran them down on Main Street.

Oldbear has it right about the Constitution. Just read the 10th Amendment and then understand most of what the Federal Government does is un-Constitutional.

Dave

[Sam Dunham]

Thats it Heathen, I also am friends with Jim that owns it. Let me know and I will get with you this spring.

[Heathen]

Thats it Heathen, I also am friends with Jim that owns it. Let me know and I will get with you this spring.

Sam, sounds good to me. I hear it's a challenging course.I was going to shoot it a few years ago until my personnal life went to Hell.:)

Maybe I can get a little practice time in beforehand.

[Sam Dunham]

Okee Dookie, Let me know!

[WildmanSC]

I'm a staunch Conservative, fundamental Christian. That being said, like it or not President Obama is our President for the next four years. We need to pray that someone will provide wise counsel to the lightweight in an empty suit. He sounds intelligent when he's reading from a teleprompter a speech that someone has written for him. But when he's speaking extemporaneously, off the cuff, he sounds somewhat dumb. That really concerns me. The things he has chosen to attack first, despite what his Press Secretary said, weakens us in the security arena. We are less secure after President Obama has been in office just 3 days than we were with President Bush in office for 8 years.

bill

[NJWoodsman]

A Conservative, fundamentalist Christian was running this country for 8 years, someone who sounded more than "somewhat dumb". The results speak for themselves. It's time for someone else besides a rich, priveleged white guy to be the leader, and most of this country thinks so, too. As the President himself said, he's elected, get used to it.

[Oldbear]

Just because W says he is a christian doesn't make him one. There are a lot of unanswered questions for actions out there.

[Bowcephalus]

"It's time for someone else besides a rich, priveleged white guy to be the leader"

LMAO!...Like say a rich, priveleged brown guy to be the leader....Methinks you're showing your true colors NJ....;)

[Dave Holquist]

LMAO!...Like say a rich, priveleged brown guy to be the leader....Methinks you're showing your true colors NJ....;)


Yep, it's a real shame when color even enters into it, but let's face it, color was the main criteria for many.